We were told rape was underreported and that reforms were needed, so we adopted an avalanche of reforms. Now they tell us underreporting is worse than ever, so more reforms are needed. The fact is, they don't know if rape is underreported, but they insist it is to further a political agenda.
Prior to the great wave of rape reforms starting in the 1970s, rape advocates reported, with seemingly infinite invention, that women were too scared, too embarrassed, too certain of its futility to report their own rapes. Rape was universally considered to be underreported, and everyone agreed that reforms were needed to do justice to countless women who suffered in silence the brutal indignity of rape.
The statistics supporting the conclusion that underreporting existed were, of course, a moving target. In 1974, the Law Enforcement Assistance Administration said there were somewhere around three times more rapes than were actually reported. But rape was not the most underreported crime -- larceny, burglary, aggravated assault, robbery and auto theft all had greater incidences of underreporting. As time went on, the rape advocates got their act together and made certain that their underreporting metanarrative became the official party line. A 1983 story in Time Magazine reported that the Department of Justice calculated that 56% of all rapes were reported. But rape "experts" deemed that number too high, Time said:
"Only 3.5% to 10% of rapes are reported, according to an aggregate of surveys done by the U.S. Census Bureau, the FBI and the National Opinion Research Center." The one-in-ten figure gained widespread currency. See this 1977 report and this 1981 report.
The insistence that rape was underreported, and that women don't lie about rape, led to an avalanche of reforms in both law and public policy -- a cavalcade of changes applicable to no other alleged crime that made it much easier both to report the crime and to convict accused criminals. These included rape shield laws that forbid inquiring into the accuser's sexual past with persons other than the defendant; elimination of the requirement of corroboration, thus allowing a conviction for rape based on no evidence beyond the accuser's say so; the elimination of the requirements of force and resistance; the law allowing husbands to be convicted of raping their wives; the law eliminating use of polygraphs for sexual assault accusers but no other criminal complainant; lifetime anonymity for persons who make rape accusations; the law allowing admission in a rape trial of evidence that the defendant previously committed a rape (the prior rape is admitted if proven by just a preponderance of the evidence, and even if the defendant was previously acquitted of the charge); the trend to abolish and eliminate statutes of limitations for rape, thus allowing a purported victim to wait for an indefinite time to make a rape accusation; compensation for UK victims of even non-forcible rape, and "over the clothing" sex acts, no matter how slight their injuries, but not for men falsely accused of rape, no matter how egregious their harm; all manner of counseling and assistance for rape accusers funded by tax and tuition dollars; and the rule on many college campuses that rape accusers can't be charged with underage drinking in connection with the accusation.
While these reforms made it easier to cry rape and to convict for rape, they also made it easier to falsely cry rape and to wrongly convict for rape. While these reforms were occurring, there were no reforms whatsoever to protect the presumed innocent who, too often, turn out to have been falsely accused. The typically minimal sentences for false rape reporting were not enlarged; no effort was made to insure that law enforcement charge false rape claims as crimes, and they rarely do; and no effort was made to protect men's reputations from false rape claims by maintaining their anonymity prior to conviction. Society handed women and girls unprecedented power not only to bring their rapists to justice, but to destroy the lives of innocent males merely by crying rape, but it didn't bother to consider what should be done if they abuse that power. The falsely accused were offered up on the altar of gender political correctness as a twisted sort of collateral damage in the war on rape.
But surely these massive reforms must have cut into underreporting of rape? Surely after decades of one reform after the next to encourage women to come forward, the women must be lining up, right? Well, no, we are told. By the early 90s, alleged underreporting was still a major problem: "In a large national survey of American women, only 16% of the rapes (approximately one out of every six) had ever been reported to the police. Rape in America: A Report to the Nation, National Victim Center, 1992 ." By the mid-90s, the picture wasn't any better: "In 1994-1995, only 251,560 rapes and sexual assaults were reported to law enforcement officials -- less than one in every three. (National Crime Victimization Survey, Bureau of Justice Statistics, U.S. Department of Justice, 1996.)"
Today, on college campuses, the supposed hotbed for modern rape, alleged underreporting could scarcely be worse. In fact, very few rape victims do report: "Ninety five percent of students who are sexually assaulted remain silent." And ". . . more than 95 percent of sexually victimized students don’t report to police or campus officials." See also here.
Underreporting has gotten worse, not better.
What is going on here? Society has bent over backwards to invent all manner of special rules applicable only to rape claims to make reporting easier than ever, yet women still aren't coming forward, we are told. Why not?
And if the reforms don't work, let's do away with them because they place innocent men at risk.
The fact is, no one knows the precise extent of underreporting, and they never did. The "proof" posited for underreporting ranges from unreliable to nonexistent. Yet underreporting is wielded like a sword to continually push for more and more and more rape reforms, and some of the reformers won't be satisfied until rape accusers are named both judge and jury in the trials of their accusations. While it makes sense that some actual rape victims don't report rape for a variety of reasons, it is by no means clear what that number might be, or if it even approaches the number of women who report false rapes. While it makes sense that some women don't want to undergo a "second rape" at the hands of the justice system by reporting (although that fear is by now wholly unwarranted), that fear certainly doesn't stop the false accusers from "coming forward," now does it? Why is that? All of the assertions that insist underreporting is a reality are premised on the assumption that every report of rape was an actual rape, and the same goes for every alleged unreported rape. That assumption doesn't just strain credulity, it shatters it into a thousand pieces. Let us be brutally frank: for many who insist underreporting is a reality, their proof is akin to asserting that underreporting must exist because no one is reporting all of these rapes that must be occurring -- thus proving rampant underreporting. Get it? Neither do I.
A recent law review article that appeared in the New England Journal on Criminal and Civil Confinement explains that the politicization of rape renders it impossible to discern whether underreporting even exists. J. Fennel, Punishment by Another Name: The Inherent Overreaching in Sexually Dangerous Person Commitments 35 N.E. J. on Crim. & Civ. Con. 37, 49-51 (2009). Excerpt here.
Alleged rampant underreporting is touted as a fact in order to advance a politicized agenda. It is not based in reality. On campus, underreporting is trumpeted by the same angry, despicable forces of gender political correctness that vilify maleness itself, especially when maleness is packaged in white skin. The truth is being held hostage by radical feminist ideology. Let's have an honest, objective look at both rape and false rape claims, which, I am certain, will show that the former is not nearly as prevalent as the sexual grievance industry insists, and the latter not only is far more common, but becoming more and more prevalent because it is not deterred. An honest look at these issues will promote a greater respect for the rights of the presumed innocent, many of whom are, in fact, falsely accused; moreover, it will enhance the credibility of actual rape victims, which has been badly hurt by decades of doing nothing about false rape claims.
Saturday, February 20, 2010
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Rape is obviously very "overreported" if scumbags like Crystal Magnum can commit perjury in front of the entire world and nobody even considers doing anything about it! What a con game.
By the way, I think that false rape accusations are very underreported. Literally.
Journalists often sweep false rape accusations under the rug, and prosecutors rarely punish them. That's what I call underreporting.
I would say that rape is perhaps the only OVER-REPORTED crime.
And yes, if all these reforms have only led to MORE under-reporting, according to feminOrcs, we should do away with all the reforms. What could be more obvious than that?
"The insistence that rape was underreported, and that women don't lie about rape, led to an avalanche of reforms in both law and public policy -- a cavalcade of changes applicable to no other alleged crime that made it much easier both to report rape and to convict accused rapists"
Actually, you are wrong... bear with me.
There is one other crime that has undergone an extremely similar transformation.
That crime is the (alleged) sexual abuse of children.
Every single point that you can make about rape hysteria can be made about paedophile hysteria.
And what do these two vile crimes have in common?
Women, women are behind it all, from the women politicians angling for power through all the way down to the women social workers at the grass roots.
Now, before you start to say that this blog is just concerned with FRAs, let me point out that my case is far from unusual, an FRA made by an ex partner as part of a separation / child custody battle that went nuclear on day 1, with, guess what, accusations of child sexual abuse thrown in by the very same FRA, and the ramifications of this extra accusation essentially lock the (female populated) mechanisms of the police rape squad, the social services department, etc etc etc
... cont
Women treat children as property, just like their vagina, it's mine and I can do what I like with it, including retroactively claiming that you, you vile man, abused it at some time in the past.
While me will say "my son" or "my daughter" with proprietary love, women will say "*MY* children" in vindictive, exclusive, SOLE-proprietor ownership, like children arguing over toys, not because they want to play with it, they don't, they just want ownership and to stop anyone else having access to their toys.
Here in the UK the alleged unreported rape hysteria is, it has to be said, sounding a bit like a stuck record, every month an ever smaller proportion of the population find it credible.
What we have instead is the next weapon in the feminazi arsenal, that the sexual abuse of children is vastly under-reported, and because this is a much newer and more recent claim, it hasn't reached stuck record status yet, and still has a great deal of traction in society.
Make no mistake, despite the recent changes in Law, despite convicting new types of criminal for new types of crime (Scorpions - Animal Magnetism album cover is now kiddie porn, if you google it your browser cache will save a copy, and you WILL BE CONVICTED OF ***MAKING*** CHILD PORNOGRAPHY by the simple fact that your computer automatically "made" an extra copy, in the browser cache.
Both these types of false allegations come from exactly the same type of people, it is exactly the same sort of women involved, if you only see FRA's as an isolated thing, you will be playing whack-a-mole until the day you die... you need to deal with the root cause of the problem.
Crystal Gale Magnum is a classic example of an FRA.
If you only look at her false rape accusations (two, so far, that we know of) in isolation from the rest of her behaviour, it is like looking at one leaf falling and trying to understand autumn.
I know this site focuses on FRAs, and I do not wish in any way to detract from that, but it should not make us blind to the fact that FRAs are just one frequency or colour in a spectrum of closely related psychotic behaviour by some females.
Psychologists will tell you that at one end of the Cluster B spectrum you will find Narcissistic Personality Disorder, Histrionic Personality Disorder, and Borderline Personality Disorder.
They are all closely related, with significant overlap, you can't just "buy one" like it was a single apple, it's more like a slice of fruit pie, you can get a slice that is mainly apple, but it has other stuff in there too, just as Crystal Gale Magnum is not just about FRAs
SO, while I accept that this site is confined to FRAs, I feel that I should point out that it is a dangerous, possibly deadly, mistake for us to think of FRAs inside our heads as being some unique, solitary, discrete thing.
It is a dangerous and possibly deadly mistake to state, and think "no other crime has been altered in these ways", when in fact that is not true, child sexual abuse has been altered in exactly the same way, by exactly the same people, and false accusations of same are invoked by exactly the same kinds of people.
I must also say, to the wuss in the other article who said suing your FRA into oblivion was a waste of time... I have a message for you.
3 minutes of excellence, Tom Petty, I won't back down.
Well I won't back down, no I won't back down
You could stand me up at the gates of hell
But I won't back down
Gonna stand my ground, won't be turned around
And I'll keep this world from draggin' me down
Gonna stand my ground and I won't back down
[Chorus:]
Hey baby, there ain't no easy way out
Hey I will stand my ground
And I won't back down
Well I know what's right, I got just one life
In a world that keeps on pushin' me around
But I'll stand my ground and I won't back down
Hey baby there ain't no easy way out
Hey I will stand my ground
And I won't back down
No, I won't back down
Words to live by...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1252505/The-man-killed-Dad-mentally-ill-PC-officials-say--service-user.html
Off topic, but I defy any FRA to read this and not draw several parallels to our world of FRAs
Also
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/feb/19/police-rape-response-psychology
Quote from Det Chief Supt Caroline Bates, commander of the squad set up last year,
"Our officers will believe the victims, however unbelievable their story may be."
From the "baby p" case
Detective Superintendent Caroline Bates, of the Met's Child Abuse Investigation Command
As I said above, child sexual abuse and rape are two sides of the same coin, always the same set of people going through revolving doors to get their snouts in the trough.
well afor,i did start to think that way about pyschological issues most people of real DV and rape casses,are people who had some violence against them in the past,weren't properly raised and needed some illegal substances,which are pretty the first 2 reasons the cause of it that they fallen to drugs.Well women would mostly fall into the not properly raised category,because people accept their dsyfunctional behaiviour(treat them like a princess) and by going easy on girls,they create more people with all those psychological disorders,which probably are part of the false rape reporting,or the cause ends up because of the those 2 reasons i mentioned as male had to suffer.
Well one thing if it would came to light about the psychological problems of these people,especially men,wouldn't that become the new witch hunt,they already had one with hitler.
But i believe if people were more capable in recognizing when someone needs psychological help,we could prevent most of the problems if we helped these people.
Three things here.
Firstly, not reporting a rape that did occur, and reporting a rape that did not occur, are two sides of the same coin. A woman who denies a rape occurred when it did is no less lying about rape than a woman who claims a rape occurred when it did not. Women are either honest about rape or they aren't. If there is massive under-reporting, then there is massive over-reporting. You can't have it both ways.
Secondly, contrary to feminist ideology, under-reporting is an argument that more rape accusations are false, simply based on who shows up at the police station. If a lower proportion of women report rape when it's true, then a larger proportion women report rape when it's false.
Thirdly, most false accusations or false claims of rape are not accusations made to the police. They are often made to friends, co-workers, commanding officers, etc. The accuser can seek out the victim's business clients and professional associates. She can tell his boss or his landlord. And while people tend to automatically believe such accusations, they will rarely, if ever, confront the accused. So this can go on for a long time before the victim ever finds out, and by then his reputation is forever ruined. The vilification tactics of borderlines, or the attention seeking of histrionics, need not involve the authorities. Rumor is often enough to serve their purposes, and the internet has made this easier than ever before. Although such behavior is not limited to women with personality disorders. It merely requires selfishness, as there are plenty of "rational" motives. I know of a woman who got pregnant while her husband was in Afghanistan, so she told people she was raped, even though she was having an affair for months with a married sailor who was stateside. Politics are another motive. A typical feminist tactic, that has been used against researchers whose results they did not like, is the third-party accusation. They accuse them of raping or abusing someone other than the accuser, most often an entirely fictitious victim who does not even exist. I know of several cases of feminists who started rape rumors because the accused merely disagreed with them about rape on the internet -- women who lied about rape because someone said women lie about rape. There also have been numerous cases of rape-crisis advocates who have been caught lying, telling made-up stories at Take Back The Night marches and such. None of this needs to involve the police in any way in order to work.
Afor
I'm in the U.S. I understand you are not and maybe things are different where you are at.
But I have actually seen the inside of how civil suits work. I had someone close to me on a jury trial for one.
The person suing was injured very badly 30+ years ago. This was the THIRD TIME THAT HE WON and HAS NEVER RECEIVED A PENNY.
And the judgments that he won were huge every time.
The OJ Simpson case is another example. He gets sued for double murder and looses a 25 million suit and how much did the families suing him get? Probably VERY little if anything. If I remember right I think they sold one of his trophies while he was still living in a multi-million dollar house.
I think these false claims of rape and sexual crimes should be a serious criminal offence and should result in prison sentences.
That is the only way there will be a deterrent. Right now 99.999% get away with absolutely nothing.
Don't get me wrong I'm on your side!
I just have some personal experience with civil suits and I think the way things stand here in the U.S. at least that civil suits are a joke and you likely will not recover anything...if you are a guy of course.
I hope you do sue your false accuser and win a huge amount of money...you deserve it!
If that happened to me I would want to sue also...I just doubt the way things stand here in my country that I would ever get anything out of it even if I won.
BTW
I think you were taking my post as some sort of an insult....I'm behind you and ever other falsely accused guy...I'm just saying how I see the reality of civil suits that's all.
Snark, correct.
This post started out as an attempt to find out how these reforms have worked. I knew what I would find -- of course they haven't. The constant drumbeat about the necessity of more and more and more legal reforms to combat the chronic alleged underreporting is insulting to our intelligence. By their own numbers, reforms don't work. Period. We are left with the insane position that we either should make maleness illegal or legalize rape.
The reality is that this is just another manifestation of their "rape is rampant" scam in order to justify the sexaul assault cottage industry. At some point, Mr. and Mrs. Average American will awaken to the fact that we really can't do any more about rape from a legal perspective. And I believe we've actually gone a good beyond where we should have gone (example, F.R.Evid. 413 and its state law progeny).
Rape is a problem. But there are other problems, too. A big one is false rape claims, which are ignored.
As for civil suits in the U.S., I am something of an authority on that. If the case isn't sound or if the defendant is essentially judgment-proof, it will be nearly impossible to attract a good contingent fee lawyer to take the case. And few men falsely accused can afford to pay counsel by the hour for a case of that nature. That's reality.
@ Archivist
Here in the UK, Civil actions are a piece of piss, and in something as open and shut as the facebook case (or any of the other FRAs) then in fact no more legal argument needs to be made than the facts as stated in the claim form / writ.
I've stood in UK Civil courts as what is called a "litigant in person" having paid a 10 pound sterling filing fee and won, and by won I mean 4 figure damages and injunctive relief with penal notice attached, e.g. make one phone call to police and they arrest the person and hold them until a court appearance for breach of an injunction.
Civil Court in the UK is *immensely* powerful, and *immensely* accessible, and while it is true "only a fool has himself for a client" the fact is that in open and shut cases such as these you have to try very hard to lose.
I could say a lot more, but now is not the time or place, but trust me on this one, civil law and civil courts are as accessible here in the UK (and indeed the EU) as the DMV is in the states.
While what archivist says about finding a paid lawyer to take on a penniless defendant is nigh on impossible, you simply do not need the services of anyone to file and win in open and shut cases such as these.
Remember, in the UK, if I file against you, claiming "the defendant, A N Other, stated that I was a (something bad) on (place this was published" then that is all I have to do.
To successfully defend yourself you must prove one of the following;
1/ that what you said was BOTH true AND not intended to cause harm (simply true alone is not enough)
2/ that what you said was legally "privileged" comment, eg made in a court.
3/ that what you said was "fair comment" eg "I believe Tony Blair is a war criminal"
4/ That you were not the publisher, eg your name is A N Other, but you are not the same A N Other.
That's it... fail to prove any of these, and you just lost.
Lose a defamation action generally and damages are awarded, who cares if they have no money, you can sell the debt for 50c in the dollar to a collection agency.
Lose a defamation action specifically where malice is obvious, as in this case, and expect an injunction, with penal notice attached.
HTH etc
"While what archivist says about finding a paid lawyer to take on a penniless defendant is nigh on impossible, you simply do not need the services of anyone to file and win in open and shut cases such as these."
Not so in the U.S. Here it is very easy to blow a civil case without a lawyer, and then have the further indignity of people concluding "well, a jury says it's more likely than not that he's a rapist."
mmm, since starting with site I have come to realise (at least as far as some laws are concerned) the much vaunted land of the free is anything but, compared to the old world in Europe.
Shame, the original constitution was so very good...
Break the gender feminist / law enforcement missinformation ALLIANCE.
This Alliance is a perversion, and a stain on our constitution.
Get gender feminist hysterics out of our legal system, and take away the funding incentives for the law enforcement to arrest males instead of females, and you will the the gender feminist reign of perversion soon crumble.
"Break the gender feminist / law enforcement missinformation ALLIANCE.
This Alliance is a perversion, and a stain on our constitution."
I like how this has been said verbatim about 10,000 times now
Snark, David only beat Goliath by aiming directly at his eye. Body shots are impotent, and to target the now very real gender feminist / law enforcement missinformation Alliance (for federal VAWA dollars)is to shoot for the eye.
^That actually sounds kind of sensible
"Snark, David only beat Goliath by aiming directly at his eye. Body shots are impotent, and to target the now very real gender feminist / law enforcement missinformation Alliance (for federal VAWA dollars)is to shoot for the eye."
This is fine, but does it need to be posted on every FRS article?
AFOR: you're a bit confused. There are different courts in the US and a court like "small claims" is very accessible(summary judgement-no jury) Nevertheless, you must still prove your case usually by the preponderance of the evidence and in rare cases by clear and convincing evidence. Four figures as you sued for would be small claims. Depending on the US State you can sue for even $10-15k in small claims. If you sue for a higher sum then it's filed in the law division where you have to write a more formal complaint and can demand a jury. Most of the small claims cases are usually first arbitrated (usually the judge's law clerk does it) to save time and see if the parties will settle. You don't have to do this and can still see a judge. But what we were talking about here was not trying the case but collecting if you win. Now, if the woman has assets, or a good job or if her insurance co. is defending the case and you have a good case then your chance of collecting improves esp when an ins. co. is involved because they may just settle and pay. But if you win a case against some female with nothing then you'll get nothing and you won't be able to sell that judgement for anything because no one will buy it. Now, I'm not saying not to sue because most of these loser females who have nothing may just ignore the complaint and then you can enter a default. It may not be worth anything today but you just keep renewing the judgement(maybe every 10 yrs depending where you live) At some point in the future she may actually have something (money in the bank is the best) and that's when you collect (with interest) In the US you would give a copy of the judgement to the sheriff or constable for the county and tell him what bank she has her money in and he'll collect it.
I'm not confused, that may be how it works there, but it is not how it works in the UK, or in the EU.
This is not an opinion of mine, it is fact.
Been there, done that.
I can file a defamation action and demand a million for damages, still civil court, still no jury, still no need for a lawyer in any open and shut case.
I'd add this to what the previous writer said: in the US, if the false accuser only acquires assets during her marriage, they are generally off-limits to the false rape victim.
The small claims court idea is interesting. Most lay people can handle that without an attorney, but the payoff is extremely limited. Nevertheless, in my state, you can sue in an informal arbitral setting for up to $25,000. That's not insignificant. It would give almost all false accusers pause.
Maybe I should prepare a checklist to help litigants who go it alone against their false accusers in civil court.
Archivist: AFOR is talking about the English equivalent of what would be called small claims in the US. In England, civil cases involving large sums are tried by barristers and they are paid by the hour since accepting cases on contingency is not permitted.
Pierce: If the woman has a bank account in her own name or other property in her name then it can be seized even if she is married. I'm not certain if they own a piece of property with both their names on the deed and are married but if the woman is just living with someone and they own a property together with both names on deed then they are just tenants in common and you can go after her half share. And as I said, if her name is on a bank account the constable will collect it and turn it over to you. She'll find out about it after the fact :o)
I consulted an attorney about suing my false rape accusser in a civil court for damages, but the little pig had nothing to lose. I would have at least liked to get the cash the womens Rape crisis center gave her for her filing false rape report.
AFOR: you don't have to make a jury demand in England and can simply let the judge hear the case. But the defendant CAN demand a jury and if the woman has any sort of real assets she's going to have a lawyer and there are many ways to get a complaint thrown out and you're not going to be able to respond to them unless you've had some training.
Almost all property acquired during marriage will prove to be off-limits to civil claimants. But the small claims idea renders that not such a sticking point. The victim of a false rape claim has little more to lose by going after her.
Archivist: The constable doesn't know if she's married or not when he withdraws the judgement from her bank account to pay you. But there are plenty of ways of making her life miserable once you have a judgement and she won't pay.Females will never admit they're wrong or have to pay a man any money. So this is what you do if she won't answer your questions about her finances. You get an information subpoena where she will have to answer very intrusive questions about her job, assets and anything she owns. In true female stubborness she'll probably ignore it so you'll file a motion to compel her to answer. She'll probably even ignore this so your next step will be to file a motion for an order for the judge to issue an arrest warrant. Now, if she doesn't sent you the information requested in the information subpoena she'll be arrested and brought to court to comply. If she's still obstinate the judge will hold her in contempt in a jail until she complies and if you can show that she lied about her finances she can be charged with perjury. If she's married her husband will be quite annoyed with her and in fact the husband will probably pay you in reasonable male fashion just to end the whole thing. The only thing I would regret is having an innocent man pay for something a malicious bitch did.But just remember this, a female will always try to wear you down and resort to any trick not to have to pay you the judgement. You're going to wear her down more than she can do it to you and even if you never collect a penny she'll understand that there are consequences to her actions and will think before offending another man. And if another person ever sues her they can call you as a witness.
I ended up here by mistake. I am a woman. It is kind of a weird site. Of all of my close friends that I might talk about this about (I have about 4 or 5 that I would talk about this stuff to), 3 have been raped. 1 was by a family member when she was a child and one by a boy she dated once in high school and one by a man she knew. That seems quite high. Now maybe I just happened to pick people that were raped and it is not representative. That could be but if you doubt the statistics what do you believe? I am just saying that my experience seems to echo the stats.
I myself was brought into a truck in behind our house when I was 5 and a teenage boy made me show mine and touch his. The same boy tied me to a tree for 3 hours at night.
I feel for the good men that are falsely accused. There is nothing right with that. I would hate for my husband or my boys to be accused of something so wretched as rape, when they were innocent. I would be as steamed as you are.
I have no problem with you standing up for your rights. False rape reporters should be charged. It is a serious crime. But as for the doubt of the statistics, it seems to be correct from my vantage.
Hey honey, I'm sure you arrived here "by accident" lol
Now, I'll tell you about my experience. I won't see 60 again but yet in all that time I have never personally known or heard of even 1 rape. Knowing how people like to gossip don't you find that odd? I also never heard of a case of DV or child abuse. Obviously, some groups with an agenda are fiddling around with the facts because if any of those three things I mentioned were anything but rare everyone would be personally acquainted with some cases.
Doesn't Occam's Razor apply? If rapes aren't being reported, it's because they didn't happen.
You say you were raped and didn't report it? Assuming that's actually true, why should we base public policy on a crime you didn't report? The only thing the system should concern itself with is reports by actual crime victims. Everything else is meaningless speculation and hearsay.
"That could be but if you doubt the statistics what do you believe?"
The rape "statistics" used by the sexual assault industry are made up out of whole cloth. What do I believe? See the law review article I cited. That's what I believe.
I came to this issue by mistake, too. I caught the feminist legal "scholars" and sexual assault advocates in a big lie -- that only two percent of all women lie about rape. I was at first relieved by that stat, but a little digging demonstrated it has precisely zero basis in fact. The premise that women don't lie about rape is built into their underreporting stats (which, by the way, vary from one feminist to the next -- they don't even bother to get their stories straight). Moreover, as the follow-up to the Koss report revealed, a significant percentage of alleged "rape" victims themselves conceded that there might have been a misunderstanding and that their "rapists" might not have realized they were "raping" the women. Newsflash: it's not rape if the guy reasonably believed there was consent -- express, implied or tacit. The woman's secret, undisclosed intentions don't matter.
With all due respect, you've stumbled onto an area about which you are woefully unfamiliar, and you've deigned to posit an opinion that is ill-informed. We have many falsely accused readers here, and you insult them with your ignorance. You are invited to comment here, after you've educated yourself.
A sort of "mass hysteria" has been promoted at the federal level, and most all American media outlets are in on it.
Girls like to lie and create "hysteria".
Hysteria is Hysteria, but when the law enforcement community enables and embraces this Hysteria, it then becomes a perversion.
Pierce Harlan Said:
"Maybe I should prepare a checklist to help litigants who go it alone against their false accusers in civil court."
Yes, please! Do it.
All statistics about r@pe, DV and child abuse in the US are suspect and are the result of feminist inspired media hysteria.
Even other statistics not related to these things are greatly inflated. A good example is drunk driving. You'll always hear the statistic that 50% of auto fatalities involved alcohol but in every country where I've check this to see if it was the same I got results that the figure is more like 8%.
Then you had the Anorexia nervosa nonsense where women were supposedly starving themselves(men of course were at fault for this because they wanted slim women lol) I've never personally seen even 1 case of this and if it was common you would see women on the street that looked like they just got out of a concentration camp(but you don't) Now, if you were talking about epidemic female obesity that would be perfectly believable because you can see it on any street. We know that false rape allegations are also the norm by the fact that of all rapes reported to the police in England only 6% end in a conviction. The highest rate of conviction I could find was 16% and that was in feminist Sweden and even there 5 out of 6 men either have the charges dismissed or win at trial. Most of these allegations are made against muslims in the country.
Basing public policy on unreported rape claims is like basing public policy on space aliens.
We HEAR they're out there - constant rumoring about them means they PROBABLY exist.
But to base laws on the unknown probability, especially when it convicts innocent men -
If you find the socially acceptable because you 'happen' to know a case....
8:02, I second that motion!
"The highest rate of conviction I could find was 16% and that was in feminist Sweden and even there 5 out of 6 men either have the charges dismissed or win at trial."
And that's probably higher than the number allowed to piss standing up.
Newsflash: it's not rape if the guy reasonably believed there was consent -- express, implied or tacit. The woman's secret, undisclosed intentions don't matter.
Not in today's legal regime. if the woman withdraws consent entirely in her own mind, but doesn't tell him, he is nonetheless guilty of rape. How are we to know, other than her word, that was true? I have no idea, but there are convictions, upheld on appeal, to prove the legal point.
The highest rate of conviction I could find was 16% and that was in feminist Sweden and even there 5 out of 6 men either have the charges dismissed or win at trial. Most of these allegations are made against muslims in the country.
Sweden has a very real epidemic of Muslim men and boys raping Swedish women and girls, to enforce Islamic norms of dress or simply because they're not Muslim. Check out the reported rape statistics in cities like Malmƶ. They're seriously scary. I wouldn't let my girlfriend anywhere near the place.
". . . if the woman withdraws consent entirely in her own mind, but doesn't tell him, he is nonetheless guilty of rape."
I'm assuming you are saying she lied and claimed after-the-fact that she did not consent at the time of the act, and that the lie was believed. It does happen. But I am aware of no judicial precedent that allows rape, or anything crime, to be LEGALLY concocted by way of a woman's false and belated, after-the-fact, ex post facto decision to change her mind. And I would know about such a case. But, yes, women sometimes lie to convict men they've accused of rape.
I'm assuming you are saying she lied and claimed after-the-fact that she did not consent at the time of the act, and that the lie was believed
No, I'm claiming she consented at the beginning of the act, withdrew consent in the middle of the act without telling him, accused him of rape after, and he was convicted. Whether she's lying is almost irrelevant. Holding a man criminally responsible when consent is withdrawn without his knowledge is outrageous. She told the court she gave consent, and the jury still convicted him, because the defendant's reasonable belief he has consent wasn't a defense to the rape charge. The only thing that mattered was what the accuser said, not what the defendant knew or believed.
Assuming that's actually true, why should we base public policy on a crime you didn't report?
Because only a sniker-doodle number of rapes were reported until the 1990s. Were it a myth, our society would not have implemented laws to facilitate justice for rape victims.
Randian: "She told the court she gave consent, and the jury still convicted him, because the defendant's reasonable belief he has consent wasn't a defense to the rape charge."
Wrong. Please give me the case citation.
Wow!
Anon said: "Because only a sniker-doodle number of rapes were reported until the 1990s. Were it a myth, our society would not have implemented laws to facilitate justice for rape victims."
You ought to read my post: underreporting was better pre-90s than it is today. If nobody was reporting rape back then, underreporting would be through the roof.
The legal changes were implemented after feminist legal scholars convinced legislators that women don't lie about rape. That, ironically, was a lie. But why let me get in the way of your feminist fairy tale?
P.S. to Randian: I think you mean his good faith belief wasn't a defense. "Reasonable" would always be a defense.
"Were it a myth, our society would not have implemented laws to facilitate justice for rape victims."
Circular reasoning is circular.
"Sweden has a very real epidemic of Muslim men and boys raping Swedish women and girls, to enforce Islamic norms of dress or simply because they're not Muslim. Check out the reported rape statistics in cities like Malmƶ. They're seriously scary."
Funny that you would assume that these reports are true.
Funny that you would assume that these reports are true.
Why? Do you have some evidence otherwise?
randian - "Sweden has a very real epidemic of Muslim men and boys raping Swedish women and girls"
Which (at least to me) begs the question - Why do they all seem to get reported?
Or, to put it another way, why would women be more willing to report that they been violently raped by Muslim men than rapes by their country men?
The most basic answer would seem to me to be that they would not.
We are informed that rape is such a deeply personal and dehumanizing thing to have gone through that many women simply do not want to report that it happened.
But, if that's true, why would it matter who the rapist was?
But, of course, I'm just asking rhetorical questions.
What I'm really trying to get at here is that the obvious willingness of women in Sweden to report violent forcible stranger-rapes, is actually demonstrating that women DO report such rapes.
By extension, it would seem that the "rapes" that they do not report tend to be more of the date-rape variety.
To me, the question then becomes, just how many of these unreported date-rapes were really consensual sex encounters later re-imagined/excused as rapes?
In other words (as I've often suggested before), I tend to believe that a significant portion of women claiming to have not reported a rape, are actually referring to a non-rape consensual encounter that they have come to regret.
I recall (former?) poster Sgt Mom once relating an account of a woman she had known who, when younger, used to brag of a wild sexual encounter; yet, as she aged, the story morphed into a tale of kidnapping and rape.
I haven't encountered such a story personally, but I have heard from others who know of similar stories. I have to imagine that as women age and mature, many look back over their own wild times with a new sense of shame, and re-imagine that many of their consensual acts were actually forced upon them.
In the end, many unreported rapes may be better classified as unreported false rapes.
I am not here by mistake this time, I came back to post something.
http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/pediatrician+charged+with+child+abuse+cases/2601990/story.html
Are all 200 of these kids lying or is it mass hysteria? Just curious, do any of you belong to the flat earth society?
Occam's razor would apply in the following way: if this many charges were laid, the odds are that he committed many many rapes. If he is just being brought up on charges now, for at least 10 years there have been a number of rapes that have gone unreported.
Anonymous - "Are all 200 of these kids lying or is it mass hysteria? Just curious, do any of you belong to the flat earth society?"
Hey, Asshole,
This site deals with (known) false rapes. No one here denies that some men (~1%) rape women and/or children, nor do we believe that they should not have to face the full possible penalty for what they've done.
So, for you to come here, and try to throw up that story; then to try to compare people here with "flat-earthers", clearly demonstrates that not only are you a complete asshole, your a f_cking moron as well!
The fact that there are real rapes does not, in any way, prove that rape hysteria does not exist. Anyone can easily see (well, maybe not an idiot like you) that the rape hysteria is based on the fact that rapes do occur, but is simply an effort to take advantage of such a fact so as to advance agendas, and gain financial consideration.
So, what more can I say - Pathetic try, imbecile!
Anon at 5:10: You would do well to read this site beyond it's title before libeling us.
You not only insult my readers -- many of whom were falsely accused men who've served time and who were released after the evidence revealed the claim against them was a lie; but you also insult actual rape victims, many of whom read as well. I get more emails from women who've been raped applauding our efforts because, mirabile dictu!, the worst enemy to rape victims is a false accuser.
Did you know that, professor? Rape victims hate false accusers. That's probably a revelation to you, isn't it, professor? Nobody in Womyn's Studies 101 ever told you that, did they?
Few people dare to raise awareness about false accusers, or about the countless innocent men and boys wrongfully jailed on claims that are later proven false. It's too politically incorrect because -- well, let's be blunt, banshees like you dominate the discourse about rape.
Which means, of course, that women who were raped have no other advocates battling their worst enemy (remember who that is? I just told you -- false rape accusers, remember?) except us. Ironic, isn't it, genius?
As I say, we also have a lot or readers who've been wrongfully accused. Many have served time behind bars only to be released when the charges are proven to be false. Your hateful comment, which ridicules their victimization, is morally grotesque by any measure. YOU are morally grotesque, by any measure. And, yes, I dare say you are an enemy not only to the countless men and boys falsely accused, you are an enemy to actual rape victims.
But unlike the sites you are welcomed at, we don't censor (unless you really piss me off. You're not smart enough to really piss me off.).
By the way, when I first saw that story about the pediatrician -- with the video evidence, etc., my reaction was that this guy sure looks guilty -- a doctor, no less! Wow!
Now let's hear you admit that "nothing" happened in the Duke lacrosse house.
Are all 200 of these kids lying or is it mass hysteria?
Ask the McMartin Preschool that question.
Randian
I like that!
Because there are more than just myself involved, I didn't put my last name down, but I feel that it isn't my place to point out the identities of my siblings, three sisters and a brother, who were all victims of sexual assault by the same man who sexually assaulted me.
first, let me applaud your efforts. you are absolutely correct that the rather high incidence of false reports is massively undercutting services to actual sexual assault victims, and is as much or even moreso our enemy as those who commit sexual assault. Because feminists activists are so commited to women and don't give a donkey's turd about falsely accused men or male victims of sexual assault, I will confine my comments to how false allegations effect actual rape victims.
firstly, when a large number of allegations to women's centers are found to be false, that women's center can and will lose funding and eventually will have to close it's doors. it will be accused of not being careful in it's screening practices, and not being careful of verifying the need of the accusers.
However, women's centers are bound by the sex assault laws just as everyone else is, and they have to presume truth, no matter how utterly ridiculous the claim may be, thus compromising legal and police resources and draining them for those who actually need them.
Secondly, because rape laws are centered on females, which actual rape statistics show are barely over half of all rapes (92,600 of the 208,000 reported rapes are males-CDC statistics available on their site) male rape victims do not have adequate access to legal protection, therapy and most ridiculous of all, cannot enter abuse shelters if they are above a certain age. in my home state, that age is 12.
If you can fathom this sort of compassion, imagine a 13 year old boy who has been horrribly abused, but because of the feminist slant on anti-rape laws, has no recourse for healing or justice.
I don't need to imagine it, I had to watch my own brother suffer it. where is his justice?
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