More inanity from college women about rape:
". . . among college women, less than 5 percent of sexual assaults are reported. Moreover, only 2–3 percent of these reports are false, a percentage on par with the statistics on false reports of burglary or grand theft auto. With these numbers in mind, it is imperative to believe someone who reports a sexual assault."
From What constitutes consent? by Katie Rodriguez , Avital Ludomirsky, Amanda Yamasaki, and Jillian Hewitt (I am including their names here so that when they Google themselves, they will find this. Warning: excessive self-Googling can lead to blindness.)
Sigh. Where to begin? How much can we possibly write to debunk these grossly erroneous assertions?
I. ONLY TWO-TO-THREE PERCENT OF ALL RAPE CLAIMS ARE FALSE
I won't try to debunk this one -- we've been over this so many times.. I will direct them to these basic sources that furnish objectively verifiable information and that demonstrate the inaccuracy of their assertion:
First, it is grossly incorrect. This canard was one that led me to blog about false rape claims. I once believed the feminist two percent claim -- and I must be honest, I found it very comforting. But when I continued to research it, I found that it doesn't withstand the light of day. I realiced that much of their agenda was built on lies. I have long believed that rape advocates hurt their cause by insisting that this particular stat is true -- if they would admit the truth about this one stat, they'd have much more support.. But don't believe me, see the following:
*Bruce Gross, False Rape Allegations: An Assault on Justice, Annals of the American Psychotherapy Associaton, Dec. 22, 2008 (a great summary of every major study). By the way, among other things it shows is that the FBI puts the number at KNOWN false claims at four to seven-and-one-half times greater than for all aother crimes. (This doesn't mean that we KNOW how many false claims there are -- rape claims do not lend themselves to that kind of certainty. We know there are AT LEAST that number of false claims exist.)
*False Rape Allegations by Eugene Kanin (Gross talks about this, but you need to read it for yourself to see how its detractors mischaracterize it). Professor Eugene Kanin’s landmark study of a mid-size Midwestern city over the course of nine years found that 41 percent of all rape claims were false. Kanin also studied the police records of two unnamed large state universities and found that in three years, 50 percent of the 64 rapes reported to campus police were determined to be false.” Kanin, for the uninitiated, was a feminist icon until he blew the lid off of false rape claims. Then, when people like me started citing his rape study, he became a nitwit who didn't know the first thing about research. Sigh.
*E. Greer, The Truth Behind Legal Dominance Feminism's 'Two Percent False Rape Claim' Figure, 33 Loyola of Los Angeles Law Review 947. Great scholarly article traces the two percent canard to its unreliable source.
*The Air Force study: In a 1985 study of 556 rape allegations, 27% of the accusers recanted, and an independent evaluation revealed a false accusation rate of 60%. McDowell, Charles P., Ph.D. “False Allegations.” Forensic Science Digest, (publication of the U.S. Air Force Office of Special Investigations), Vol. 11, No. 4 (December 1985), p. 64.
*"Until Proven Innocent," the widely praised (praised even by the New York Times, which the book skewers -- as well as almost every other major U.S. news source) and painstaking study of the Duke Lacrosse non-rape case. Authors Stuart Taylor and Professor K.C. Johnson explain that the exact number of false claims is elusive but "[t]he standard assertion by feminists that only 2 percent" or sexual assault claims "are false, which traces to Susan Brownmiller's 1975 book 'Against Our Will,' is without empirical foundation and belied by a wealth of empirical data. These data suggest that at least 9 percent and probably closer to half" of all sexual assault claims "are false . . . ." (Page 374.)
II. ONLY FIVE PERCENT OF COLLEGE WOMEN REPORT THEIR ASSAULTS
Nonsense. A recent law review article that appeared in the New England Journal on Criminal and Civil Confinement explains that the politicization of rape renders it impossible to discern whether underreporting even exists. J. Fennel, Punishment by Another Name: The Inherent Overreaching in Sexually Dangerous Person Commitments, 35 N.E. J. on Crim. & Civ. Con. 37, 49-51 (2009). Excerpt here.
As we recently demonstrated, the five percent figure shows that underreporting is WORSE than it was before all the rape reforms. This only proves that all of the rape reforms enacted to encourage women to come forward -- and that made it more likely to charge and convict innocent men -- were for nought (if you believe the feminist stats, what other possible conclusion could you reach?). Why not do away with the reforms since they don't help? The fact is, alleged underreporting is a lie -- nobody knows how much underreporting, if any, there is. It has always been wielded like a sword to continually push for more and more and more rape reforms, and some of the reformers won't be satisfied until rape accusers are permitted to act as both judge and jury in the trials of their own accusations.
III. IT IS IMPERATIVE TO BELIEVE SOMEONE WHO REPORTS A SEXUAL ASSAULT
This inanity deserves short shrift because, by any measure, it is morally grotesque. It does a grave disservice to the presumed innocent who are accused of such crimes since, by necessity, if we must believe any accusation of rape, then the men and boys accused mus t be presumed to be rapists. That sort of injustice might have been the norm in the Salem witch hunts, but it has no place in civilized society. This admonition also trivializes rape by including among its victims women who very possibly could be false accusers.
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"among college women, less than 5 percent of sexual assaults are reported."
Then they should be stoned to death:
"Then ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones that they die; the damsel, because she cried not, being in the city."
Deuteronomy 22:24
The Gender / Raunch culture on alot of U.S. college campuses has alot hanging on "keeping the faulty and inflamatory missinformation" flowing un-challenged into the minds of the young people.
The gender / Raunch proffessors want control, and by the strategic use of "hysteria", they now have it.
THIS WOULD BE SILLY, IF IT WERE NOT THE TRUTH!!
"Hysteria" is only tempered with truth. The American law enforcement community is now told to "keep the public from the truth", because if the public knew the truth, "IT WOULD DETER RAPE VICTIMS FROM COMING FORWARD"
WHERE ARE THE STUDIES THAT SHOW THIS???
Where are the studies that show that " Law enforcement keeping the truth from the public, enables more women who have been raped to "COME FORWARD"???
You see folks, if righteous men cannot temper the faulty and inflammatory hysteria that has PERVERTED our legal system, i believe that society will crumble under the weight of its own perversion.
Again, this is another step in the attempt to redefine rape away from the "no means no" rule and towards the "affirmative vocalized yes required" rule. Read the article. This isn't the law, yet. They want it to be the law, however, and advocacy pieces like this -- which act as if these rules *are* the law currently -- are simply agit-prop to move the law (and behavior) the way they want it to be moved.
The goal in redefining consent this way is to change the way the human sexuality dance works away from the nearly ubiquitous male initiation approach to one where women are solidly in control -- even more so than having the veto right they have under current law. Veto is not enough, in this view, because while it prevents rape (provided the veto is actually exercised), it nevertheless places women in the position of being "responder". That is what is disliked. It's about empowering women sexually, peddled by a group of eggheaded women who for whatever reason don't like what most women seem to like -- that is, male initiation fueled by male desire which, in turn, fuels female arousal (as described in last year's lengthy NYT article on female sexuality).
As usual with feminism, we have a minority of loudmouthed radicals trying to change the rules away from what most women relate to. I can guarantee you that most women don't find a sexual encounter sexy where the man has to ask for affirmative consent prior to any act of "escalation", as is now being peddled on college campuses.
It's propaganda (worthy of Goebbels) and unfortunately if there is one thing to be learned from history it is that countering propaganda with fact is a futile exercise.
Please see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias
If you look at the recent (UK) phenomenon where party leader David (call me Dave) Cameron tried to use some large public posters to spread a meme.
What happened next was interesting, his original meme / message has been lost, now the poster campaign is associated with graffiti and photoshopping.
http://images.google.co.uk/images?hl=en&source=hp&q=david+cameron+poster&gbv=2&aq=1&oq=david+cam
"Where are the studies that show that " Law enforcement keeping the truth from the public, enables more women who have been raped to "COME FORWARD"???"
But where are the studies that show that law enforcement is keeping the truth from the public?
Nova: Well put
College campuses are a hotbed for this nonsense, Novaseeker. The young women who write things like this are being exposed to a whole new world of Womyns' Studies, and I promise you, few if any had even an inkling before they stepped foot on campus that they were "oppressed." Thank goodness someone told them, they'd go their whole lives not realizing it.
Consent means consent. It can be manifested in verbal or non-verbal conduct. It can be express or implied in the circumstances. It is difficult to relate sometimes WHY you knew she was willing to have sex, because sometimes a nod, a crooked smile, a playful look says more than a verbal affirmation. Consent need not be enthusiastic (some people don't show enthusiasm about anything). It just needs to manifest a willingness to participate. NO other test works.
How absurd that a gaggle of college girls, with high squeaky voices and no life experience, think they can re-engineer conduct imprinted on our DNA by millions of years of evolution. I truly wonder how many are interested in a physicial relationship with a man? I don't say that to disparage any of them, but they seem to be disconnected from reality, and gladly so.
I have attacked college girls' notions of consent so often that it's not worth doing every time, but your comments are correct.
There's no way to figure out the amount of raped people that don't report, just like there's no way to get the true amount of illegal immigrants in this country. I believe the amount of cases PROVEN to be false can be counted, however. But in your studies, are they just counting the proven ones or the "fishy" ones as well? What is being counted as false?
Rape not being reported is a huge problem; most raped women I've met don't report it or report it years later. And false rape reports is always a problem, even if it's a small one. One bad apple makes the whole batch look bad.
Archivist,
I think the main issue with college women is not the fact that rape happens, its that when its reported, police aren't allowed to step in--The college deals with it, and they don't have the same technology to test DNA and whatnot, so they rely on he said/she said. Even if there's a rapen that is proven, the rapist just gets expelled--this can deter anyone.
Kudos on using "womyn," you sound like a feminist (hehe).
"But in your studies, are they just counting the proven ones or the "fishy" ones as well? What is being counted as false?"
They only count the ones they KNOW are false. Not just "unfounded" or dropped.
"Rape not being reported is a huge problem; most raped women I've met don't report it or report it years later. And false rape reports is always a problem, even if it's a small one. One bad apple makes the whole batch look bad."
My belief based on all I've read is that false reporting is more widespread than underreporting. Underreporting is nothing more than women who feel they've been taken advantage of, but if you quiz them (as was done in the follow-up to the infamous Koss report), a huge percentage concede that the guy might not have had the same understanding. Remember, it's only rape if the alleged offender resasonably understood there was no consent. It's a communications problem, and a recent study showed that women are taught to be coy, and don't communicate in sex matters nearly as well as they think. Their secret, undisclosed intentions not to have sex don't count if they act willing to go along with it. That's the whole problem. In these (at best) doubtful situations, you can't call it "rape," and if you can't call it "rape," then the failure to report it doesn't count as an incident of underreporting.
Colleges don't stop women from reporting rape. They do all the time. Colleges just deal with disciplining the male and making sure the alleged victim is safe, etc.
"I think the main issue with college women is not the fact that rape happens, its that when its reported, police aren't allowed to step in--The college deals with it"
Well, the police are allowed to step in as there is nothing to prevent a college student from going to the police. The thing is that many of the situations that colleges consider some kind of rape aren't illegal. That a college should be allowed to deal with violent felonies is insane.
@ Archivist
"It's a communications problem, and a recent study showed that women are taught to be coy, and don't communicate in sex matters nearly as well as they think. Their secret, undisclosed intentions not to have sex don't count if they act willing to go along with it"
OK, I am only one man, I do not have a mandate to speak for the masses, nor am I omniscient, so I can only speak from my own fairly extensive (for one individual man) experience of women.
Your comment above is, to put it bluntly, bullshit.
The "communications problem" you are discussing does exist, but only at the "chatting up" stage, which is why this "Game" is so worshipped by the likes of the readers of the Spearhead.
Once you get past "chatting up" and into petting / foreplay / initiating sex, PRIOR to actual sex, there is no communications problem whatsoever.
There are no "secret undisclosed intentions", sure, there may be secret undisclosed wishes, such as "I wish she was Victoria Principal" but that is not the same thing at all.
Flirting and Fucking are two entirely separate activities, and it is especially dangerous for "us" to reprint broken logic that conflates these two entirely separate activities into one unitary process, and then produce paragraphs like the one quoted above.
One the face of it, what the quoted para says is all true, women are raised to be coy, and women don't communicate as well as they think they do regarding sex, HOWEVER, this is all still confined to the flirting stage.
All we are ACTUALLY seeing here is analogous to people to have been subject to corporate culture and marketing for so long that they have absorbed corporate ethics by osmosis.
Concepts such as "externalisation" and "PR" have filtered down to individual lives, if something goes less than perfectly, you externalise the blame onto someone else, if something appears less than perfect, you give it PR spin until it appears more palatable.
If corporations were human beings they would be diagnosed as being extremely psychopathic, so it is no surprise that when individuals start imitating the brand leaders they demonstrate psychopathic behaviour too.
AfOR, you would do well to use more tact when addressing me, all due respect. I stopped reading your comment after you attacked mine as "bullshit." (Oh, by the way, my comment was on the money, sir.) So I have no idea what your reasoning is, and don't care to hear it.
"Warning: excessive self-Googling can lead to blindness.)"
Or a need to hire Reputation Defender:
http://www.reputationdefender.com/
Not advertising or avocating the use of them, but it is nice to know that something like this exists. Perhaps it could help a falsely accused keep their names clean(er).
All consensual heterosexual sex can become rape....later on. It's as simple as that.
Archivist, not having a go at you or insulting you, or anything like that.
2 peoples separated by an ocean and a common language maybe.
sorry you didn't like the epithet, but "secret undisclosed intentions not to have sex".....
AixelA - ”I think the main issue with college women is not the fact that rape happens, its that when its reported, police aren't allowed to step in--The college deals with it, and they don't have the same technology to test DNA and whatnot, so they rely on he said/she said. Even if there's a rapen that is proven, the rapist just gets expelled--this can deter anyone.”
Um, AixelA, I believe you’ve fallen for something of an “Urban Myth” here. Rape is a felony, and university Police departments MUST defer to the investigation and prosecution determinations of the local authorities (same would hold true for murders, for instance – otherwise radical gender-feminists control universities could have the likes of Prof. Amy Bishop exonerated at will).
Perhaps it was before you first came here, there was another duped young poster here by the name of Dawn, who had also bought-in to a form of this myth, and stated that she knew (from hearing the accounts of others) that many women had been raped at her school, but that the Deans had warned them not to go to the police to report the crimes against them – also alleging that this was allowing numerous rapists to walk way Scott-free via cover-ups of the crimes).
This, obviously, doesn’t pass a simple “smell test”. First, at any school, there are going to be those smart enough to be lawyers who will see the potential for a huge lawsuit against the school for doing so (one audio recording could financially set up many women for life). Secondly, anyone who’s paying any attention can easily see that young men are routinely expelled for even the appearance of sexual harassment/sexual discrimination against women. How can one possibly believe that such institutions would therefore cover-up and excuse actual rapists – even if they weren’t putting the heads on the proverbial “chopping block” to do so.
I have never seen anything which suggests there is any effort to dissuade college women from reporting rapes. Quite to the contrary, even back in the early 80’s (when I was in college) there were efforts to get women to re-imagining any regrettable sex as rape so as to have something to report.
"secret undisclosed intentions not to have sex"
This is just so wrong on so many levels.
Human beings are not DIGITAL in anything, we and ANALOGUE in everything, meaning EVERYTHING is shades of grey, even what looks like black, or what looks like white.
"consent" is just about any average sample of human beings calling something "black" or "white", that doesn't mean it is black or white.
ACTIONS (do / not do) can be BINARY in nature, thoughts and feeling cannot, and are always ANALOGUE.
Now, a visit to a dentist for a nice root canal job.
Are we going to tell the truth, and say that it is an analogue thing, shades of grey, but on balance we sit in the dentists chair of our own free will, because the long term benefits outweigh the short term discomfort.
Or are we going to talk like a feminist?
I have secret undisclosed intentions not to visit the dentist.
In which case every single dentist / dental visit I ever had in my entire life is a "rape"?
This is why I don't like the legal term "consent", I consent to sitting in a dentist chair, I don't consent to order and eat a 12oz rare steak with all the trimmings, I embrace it.
@ Anonymous who posted this:
"The Gender / Raunch culture on alot of U.S. college campuses has alot hanging on "keeping the faulty and inflamatory missinformation" flowing un-challenged into the minds of the young people.
The gender / Raunch proffessors want control, and by the strategic use of "hysteria", they now have it.
THIS WOULD BE SILLY, IF IT WERE NOT THE TRUTH!!"
I say this not as a troll, but as a friend: use a spelling checker. Your posts consistently contain misspelled words and it is distracting to your message.
Misinformation has only one "s".
Professor has only one "f".
Inflammatory has two "m's".
If we were eating and you had broccoli stuck between your teeth, I would tell you about that too. :)
To the Gender / Raunch community on college campuses...Hysteria = power!!
They do in fact use faulty and inflammatory misinformation to generate this hysteria.
In a sound legal system, these hysterics in Academia would be held accountable to the college boys that are harmed by this type of Klan/hysteria.
@AfOR
"This is why I don't like the legal term "consent", I consent to sitting in a dentist chair, I don't consent to order and eat a 12oz rare steak with all the trimmings, I embrace it."
Spot on. But of course, as you well know, in the FRA racket, actions are "analogue" too. One has only to Google for "almost raped" to understand it.
Butterfly Squash (aka Black & German) has a blog post on her views of America’s Rape Culture. I’d like recommend it to our female friends here, if I could.
Per slwerner's note: please note the recent horror stories from Davis, with jacking up stats on sexual assault, presumably for funding.
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And AfOR, you need to pick your spots better and stop jumping on everything like it's a feminist plot against you. I say that with all due respect because it's not helpful to the movement. Trust me, the feminists hate me. I can't imagine why, but they do. I glanced at what your wrote. Sorry, but it's way too abstract for me.
Let me tell it to you in a way I can understand -- and it's also correct, regardless of what you think: consent is like anything else. It's a word. OK?
Get it? Seriously. A word. OK?
But it means something. And in this context "consent" means two people willing to do something -- have sex.
It doesn't matter if they are enthusiastic. Get it?
And if she ACTS like she's willing, then I have the legal, moral, and ethical right to assume she consents. Under law, if she acts like she consents, she consents.
Get it?
Seriously. Why do you insist on muddying things? All your talk about analogue and digital -- all due respect, means nothing to me. And believe me, I DON'T mean any disrespect.
The feminists don't agree with that explanation of consent. They want to tack on enthusiasn and everything and affirmative verbal assent, etc. Good. That's not how people operate, and it's not the law.
And am I saying that they really don't want to have sex? Who cares -- so long as they act like they do. That's all we have to go by. Frankly, I believe some of them are conflicted because they are afraid of getting pregnant. But for whatever motivation, they CONSENT. THE REST DOESN'T MATTER. THAT'S NOT THE DEFINITION OF CONSENT.
See? We're saying the same thing, except I'm not insisting you're wrong just because we said it differently.
All due respect.
"And am I saying that they really don't want to have sex? Who cares -- so long as they act like they do. That's all we have to go by"
I think I understand your point, it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, etc...
The "less than 5 percent reported" reflects victims' assistance stats and therapists' stats.
If a rape victim confides in either group, she is looking for counseling and advice. No individual in either group is bound by law to report the rape incident to the police.
If that were the case, it could deter other victims from seeking advice and counseling.
It's entirely up to the victim whether or not to report rape to the police. Most don't want to go through the legal process for a myriad of reasons.
That's why it is well known on college campuses that only 5 percent of rapes are officially reported.
AfOR, we are on the same page.
"That's why it is well known on college campuses that only 5 percent of rapes are officially reported."
Based on the "victim's" word, right? I mean, the guy's story isn't even listened to, is it? So we just make public policy based on the unilateral, one-sided, unchallenged, assertion of some woman who claims to be a rape victim.
Why not interview the alleged rapists and just go on THEIR side of the story? I mean, why would they lie in an anonmyous setting for which they won't be punished, right?
What a steaming pile of bullshit that is. Do you remember the follow-up to the Koss report where a significant percentage of the "Victims" admitted that maybe non-consent was construed as consent?
Remember that?
Hmm? Or all you care about is your WOMAN-AS-VICTIM AGENDA.
And didn't I BAN you from this site some time ago?
P.S. In case it's not clear from my last comment, re: the follow up to the Koss study (which is the Holy Grail that started the whole "rape is rampant" horse shit): if the guy reasonably thinks there is consent, under the law everywhere, there's consent.
And you know what, Georgia Woman, everybody knows that rape is not rampant on campus, except the cows and the banshees in the man-hating business. Normal people don't buy their cowshit.
@ Archivist.
OK, now I get where you are coming from.
I agree with your position, AfOR - you kind of jump the gun sometimes.
On the subject of unilateral claims taken at face value...
The UK Census is a legal document, there are real world penalties for entering false information
in the 2001 census, 400,000 people put their religion down as "Jedi", and 7,000 as "Witch"
I did not complete the 2001 census, but had I done, I would have also put "Jedi" as my religion, not because it is, but because my religion is not my governments business.
So we can state for a fact that (assuming pop 60 million)0.67% of the population is Jedi, and that that number is "under-reported" so we can claim that the real number is 5%
However, like the OFFICIAL UK stats on rape reflect...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jedi_census_phenomenon
The fact is that this number of 400,000 self declared Jedi is actually vastly OVER reported, not under reported.
The moral of the above being that anything "reported" is pretty worthless, unless the source is openly verifiable.
@archivist re jumping the gun... yeah, I am more than a little touchy about certain subjects nowadays.
" . . . in the 2001 census, 400,000 people put their religion down as "Jedi", and 7,000 as 'Witch'"
AfOR, that is a brilliant comment. EXACTLY!!! In NO other realm as these surveys treated as sacrosanct, outside rape.
See why we all love you, AfOR!
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Georgia Girl is banned. This is not a site where we debate basic legal principles that are nowhere open to dispute, or facts that are readily verifiable. Nor do we allow the forces of radical feminist hate to highjack important discussions. I would recommend that she go to a radical feminist site to spread her misandry.
If she comments here, don't read it -- ignore it and I'll delete it later. Thanks.
More lies; more made-up stats.
And if only 2 to 3 percent of rape reports of false, then why are these feminists so against prosecuting false rape accusers when they're busted? Why created the impression that the system is covering up a vast problem when you could be proving that you can't get away with making false accusations?
No offense to anyone on this blog I LOVE this blog.
But georiga girl has been banned how many times on here and she still pops up from time to time and posts?
Why is she still allowed to post at all?
I'm perfectly clear how she feels about men and she is only here to troll this site.
There are what 50,000 rape victim blogs where she would be treated like a prom queen so she comes here just to troll?
A little while ago when she started posting again she complained when people were asking why she was still here that she didn't even say anything inflammatory.
I replied that it would last about another post and a half.
Looks like I was off by about a few posts.
Anon, good points. I really need to stick to my guns -- despite the effort involved in monitoring and deleting comments -- if I'm to have credibility.
You can express concern about rape without being an ass on this site. Lots of rape victims write to us and tell us how terrible rape is, but express solidarity with what we do. GG just acted like an ass.
EXCELLENT COMMENT: "And if only 2 to 3 percent of rape reports of false, then why are these feminists so against prosecuting false rape accusers when they're busted? Why created the impression that the system is covering up a vast problem when you could be proving that you can't get away with making false accusations?"
I missed some posts, georgia girl or GG what did she do to get kicked out of this blog. That name is familair, i think she was in GS blog until glenn quit doing the posts, and I liked her at one time
Anon, Georgia Girl was indeed a frequent contributor on Glenn Sacks before he stopped comments.
She is not the most objectionable person on the net by a long shot, considering that there are some real lowlifes around. However, she does have a tendency to stir people and derail threads with frivolous and off-topic comments.
From what I can gather, she is not a card-carrying feminist, just someone with an axe to grind about the rape issue in particular.
She tends to respect alpha male types and is disdainful of guys she considers wimpy, so it is best to be firm with her.
"How absurd that a gaggle of college girls, with high squeaky voices and no life experience, think they can re-engineer conduct imprinted on our DNA by millions of years of evolution. I truly wonder how many are interested in a physicial relationship with a man? I don't say that to disparage any of them, but they seem to be disconnected from reality, and gladly so."
The thing is that a lot of people have an increasing disconnect between their private lives and desires and the policies they advocate in public life. I am sure that at least some of these women would still want to sleep with the beefy football player.
And women tend to give out mixed messages while leaving the responsibility with men to make the correct decision. And this is how things will stay so long as women are not held responsible for anything.
"As usual with feminism, we have a minority of loudmouthed radicals trying to change the rules away from what most women relate to. I can guarantee you that most women don't find a sexual encounter sexy where the man has to ask for affirmative consent prior to any act of "escalation", as is now being peddled on college campuses."
Of course, it is absurd to define the requirements for consent in such a way that is directly contrary to natural behaviors that have evolved for millions of years.
But that is the whole point. To place men in a no-win situation.
The hysteria that has perverted our nations conscience would come to an abrupt halt if we were to cut off the funding; and the "manufacturing of statistics" that the American law enforcement communities are now engaging in.
Break the gender feminist / law enforcement misinformation Alliance. This misinformation Alliance that gives the gender feminist perverts all there cultural power..in the future will be seen for what it is...A perversion, and a stain on the American constitution.
Why it is that we find all of these misunderstandings about sex among Uni girls, especially in the US, where feminism has had a big influence? I think that we have to reeducate these girls and teach them the Rules.The Rules that are accepted by almost every woman on earth.
Any sort of foreplay, including being kissed on the lips, is a consent to have sex. Why would a woman begin something she's not prepared to finish? That is an abuse of a man. You would only very rarely have a misunderstanding with, for example, a female Uni student in Moscow. If I were to ask a girl to come over to my place to drink some wine or something(and this is true if she asked you to her place) she would know that this means having sex otherwise she would just use some excuse and decline your invitation.Even inexperienced girls who may still be virgins understand the Rules. But apparently a few simple rules cannot be knocked in the heads of the majority of US female Uni students. Rules of conduct that most people accept are important because they eliminate the possibility of misunderstandings. I guess that these US female students believe that they can make up new rules everyday or on a whim.
Classic strawman argument, Anon. Nice one!
"Why it is that we find all of these misunderstandings about sex among Uni girls, especially in the US, where feminism has had a big influence?"
FRS COMMENT: Because raunch feminism encourages young women to imitate their idea of the boys' behavior -- even though relatively few boys really behave like that. My candid discussions with college administrators lead me to believe the girls overall are worse than the boys in getting drunk and in putting themselves in situatons where sex, and misunderstandings, are more likely to occur. But, hey, why worry about little things like, oh, safety, and common sense when you've got empowerment?
"I think that we have to reeducate these girls and teach them the Rules.The Rules that are accepted by almost every woman on earth.
Any sort of foreplay, including being kissed on the lips, is a consent to have sex."
FRS COMMENT: That, of course, is a feminist wet dream, something concocted out of menstrual ooze and not indicative of how the vast majority of men and women get along. All due respect but the feminists who say these things generally have never had an intimate relationship with a male. Nor do they desire one. I'm not suggesting anything about you, personally -- hey, if the dildo fits.
"Why would a woman begin something she's not prepared to finish?"
FRS COMMENT: Because at the time she has sex, she IS prepared to finish it.
"That is an abuse of a man."
FRS COMMENT: Right. Deciding after-the-fact, the following morning, in some ex post facto, false and belated hissy fit of regret that she didn't want to have sex the night before, a feeling diametrically opposed to her conduct the night before, is an abuse of a man. Because those new scientific studies show women experience greater after-the-fact regret than men following one night stands. I'm sure you're familiar with those studies. Right? I mean, RIGHT???
"You would only very rarely have a misunderstanding with, for example, a female Uni student in Moscow."
FRS COMMENT: I have no doubt that you've bedded such a woman. Most men have not.
"If I were to ask a girl to come over to my place to drink some wine or something . . . . she would know that this means having sex otherwise she would just use some excuse and decline your invitation."
FRS COMMENT: There's probably that presumption on everyone's part -- women as much as, likely more than, men. That doesn't mean that men routinely force themselves on women. I am, of course, talking about the real world, not your Womyns' Studies textbook.
"Even inexperienced girls who may still be virgins understand the Rules."
FRS COMMENT: I'm glad somebody does because I've never heard of them, and I know this area a hell of a lot better than you do.
"I guess that these US female students believe that they can make up new rules everyday or on a whim."
FRS COMMENT: Read Heather MacDonald's "Campus Rape Myth," linked in my primer on the right side of the page. The vast majority of college women take responsibility for their actions. They get it. You know who doesn't? The marginalized banshees who teach and study Womyns' Studies. The ones who eschew male companionship and have other "issues" in their lives, generally. Women take their cowshit about as seriously as I took your incomprehensible comment.
being kissed on the mouth is consent to have sex
And THIS:
To KISS a man is ABUSE unless you are willing to have SEX with him.
OMG, talk about Demented people.
Whoever believes that needs to be locked in a CAGE. You are a threat to society as a whole.
Anon at 9:39: Pardon my language but what the hell is your problem? Do you even know who I am? When did I ever say those things? I'd be happy to "debate" you about rape, Emma, but you need to grow up first. I don't think you have the first clue what you're talking about.
Archivist wrote:I'm glad somebody does because I've never heard of them, and I know this area a hell of a lot better than you do.
I doubt that you do. I'm a good 15-20 years older than you and have had sex with at least 300 women in various countrues ranging in age from 17 to 42. You may want to learn from someone a lot more experienced than yourself.
He goes on to write,The vast majority of college women take responsibility for their actions
You sound a bit deluded there son.
Another inexperienced moron writes this: And THIS:
To KISS a man is ABUSE unless you are willing to have SEX with him.
OMG, talk about Demented people.
Hey kid, have you ever been out of Podunk? You're probably so accustomed to cock teasing attention whores that you don't even know what is normal anymore.I can also understand why Archivist is not even able to understand what I wrote. If he's in his 40's he has spent his entire adult life under feminist rules which are in effect, no rules. The rules are whatever a female says they are and that can change from day to day or even from minute to minute. The result of this are cases where a man can be charged with rape for not stopping fast enough if a female changes her mind or if she changes her mind in retrospect. And btw, I'm not saying that a man should force himself on a woman even if she is wrong and is not playing by long established traditional rules.
But it would be impossible for a man to be convicted of rape before any intelligent and sophisticted jury if they heard that she had been invited for some drinks at his place and went there freely. When she decided to go there she had already given consent for sex and any worldly man knows this.It seems that the only place where the girls don't know the rules is the US. Even in England where there have been a number of false rape allegations lately only 1 in 20 end up in a conviction. Why? Because jurors, even young ones, still seem to have certain ideas in their mind about the unwritten rules of sexual conduct.
If a female was drinking with a man and was seen kissing him and then left and accompanied him home and then a week later claimed she was raped because the guy didn't stop when she told him to, jurors would put 2 and 2 together and the girl would become the butt of a joke. It's only in the US where there could be a conviction in a case like this.
And incidentally, I'm not saying that there are no abuses in England because there certainly are a lot. There are always malicious cops, prosecutors and stupid juries. But when you look at the number of allegations made by females and the number of actual convictions very fe men end up behind bars based on the allegations. Sure, many are put through hell and lose their jobs and reputations but not many end up in prison. In the US these same men would most likely end up in prison just based on the females allegations.
Hey, Anon, thanks for thinking I'm younger than I am. And you've got to be kidding if you think I'm so naive about "The Rules." I was merely being a catalyst for conversation, and tesasing a jackass. Was that jackass -- you??
You do have a tact problem, though, don't you? I couldn't finish reading your comment because -- you know -- you sound like a blowhard.
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