I don't know about you, but I find it curious that this product is featured on that particular blog which is, after all, is not known for its household hints. And it's not known for touting handy products -- no one would mistake it for QVC. It is a radical feminist blog that sees itself battling purported patriarchal oppression.
I suspect they would tell us that male splashing while urinating is a problem that is usually left for women to clean up, so it's fair game to discuss it on their blog. But it does sound dangerously close to that thoroughly inane "ban urinals" movement that made a very, very minor stir in Europe several years ago. Men should sit when they pee because "a man standing up to urinate is deemed to be triumphing in his masculinity and, by extension, degrading women." In case you've never heard about this, read about it here: http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3724/is_200004/ai_n8889753/
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Do feminist law professors really have to worry about this? I can't see how a middle-aged woman of any profession has the leverage to get her man to kneel before a giant, gaping receptacle.
As the whether it is degrading to women that we men "luxuriate in our masculinity" by standing to pee, that's akin to saying that women luxuriate in their femininity via public breast feeding or showing off their pregnant bellies. Anatomical differences just are. That's it. The only person who's degraded by piss is the person who cleans it up, regardless of gender---and there are a lot of men working as janitors.
My advice:
If you ever see one of these - pee on it and all around the toilet.
Then leave the seat up.
Leaving the seat up is another favorite, isn't it? Probably the most common complaint women have about men. Yet, if spouses share a car, and the man is tall and she's not, watch how often she pushes the seat back for him. Some tall guys almost break their legs getting in and adjusting the seat. But not the kind we're allowed to complain about.
With this stupid little device, the next complaint will be that men don't push the kneeler to the side so the woman fell in the toilet.
This invention wouldn't force me to do anything but kick it the hell out of my way lest I piss in the bathtub bitches.
Not really concerned about the whole feminists telling men how to piss thing, because it will never actually achieve anything.
But it is good insight into their totalitarian mindset: they want to tell us how to go to the toilet.
Always leave the seat up, gents. Think of it like a flag in your own bathroom, standing tall as a testament to masculinity. Even if you've taken a shit, leave the seat up.
If you get complaints, leave the seat down and piss all over it. I guarantee you that you will not hear any more complaints about leaving it up.
If a woman you live with buys one of these, don't piss on it - just throw it in the garbage, and be quite explicit that if she doesn't stop this sexist nonsense, she will be next.
What on earth is so bad about luxuriating in our masculinity anyway? Masculinity is awesome, and I'm glad I can luxuriate in it. Penis envy is apparently alive and well in feminist spheres.
"What on earth is so bad about luxuriating in our masculinity anyway?"
Some time ago in the U.S., there was a "black is beautiful" movement. "Girl's Rock" and "Girls Rule" and "Girl Power" are acceptable, even though girls are ahead of boys in every measure of achievement and in receiving government funding. Heaven forbid we declare that it's "Great to be a guy!" or that we're "Glad to have a penis!" or anything of that nature. That is misogyny, I am sure.
P.S. I am not concerned about a lot of their inanity ever coming to pass, but -- you never know. Lots of changes in the rape laws were at one time deemed too far-fetched ever to pass.
Well, my lack of concern in cases like this - as shocking as their arrogance and sense of entitlement is - is rooted in it being unachievable practically.
They can pass all the laws they want, but the only way they could enforce this is by putting cameras inside everyone's bathrooms to monitor how men use the toilet.
And I believe that a lot of people, myself included, will have taken up arms in our respective countries before it gets to the point where they do this.
"Unachievable practically" is precisely why they enact laws -- to force compliance with the impractical, the inane, the weird, and the insulting. I can see the legislation now: toilets are not permitted to be sold with toilet seats that can be lifted. With the new and improved toilet, you will need to sit or else have really keen aim. And urinals, banned outright. How will they do this? Simple. They will trace some disease outbreak to guys peeing while standing, and that's all the hysterical Chicken Little-types will need to realize how unsanitary peeing while standing really is, and they'll jump on the bandwagon.
Any inane notion of theirs is worth shooting down, if we have time. Some of their notions are so inane that merely reciting them is sufficient to shoot them down, and to expose their hatred and stupidity.
Actually, it is FAR more sensible for the household bathroom to include a wall mounted urinal.
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AfOR
"a man standing up to urinate is deemed to be triumphing in his masculinity and, by extension, degrading women."
Hum?
I wonder if this is why it is so popular/common for drunk girls to go into the Men's room and try to piss in the urinals - and be photographed doing so.
Is that "striking a blow against the patriarchy", or something?
I had a roomate who was a eunech type guy, and he would sit to pee in a show of solidarity with the Gender/feminist movement.
I had a roomate who was a eunech type guy, and he would sit to pee in a show of solidarity with the Gender/feminist movement.
ALSO..He was a sorry dude, afraid of his own shadow, and on enough prescription drugs to down a horse.
So much of this comes from the "if the girls aren't allowed to do it, neither should the guys be allowed to do it."
Example: even though no one is actually offended by the sight of guys' chests painted with school colors, at some schools, the boys have to put their shirts on -- since the girls can't go around bare chested. http://archives.chicagotribune.com/2008/sep/11/local/chi-topless-both-12-sep12 -- "After a few girls grumbled about boys getting away with exposing their chests, the group arrived at this decision: Belly-baring T-shirts would be as far as anyone—girl or boy—would be allowed to go."
Why this inane bow to political correctness? Because, don't you know, equality means treating everybody exactly the same. Even though everybody is not exactly the same. We must pretend they are exactly the same to silence the bow wows of the self-anointed victims.
Get it? Neither do I.
But note that it doesn't work in revese. Girls can dress like boys, cut their hair to look like boys, and they are considered "stylish." If a guy wore a skirt to school, he'd be sent home. A school landed itself in the news for telling a little boy he had to cut his long hair.
I was really torn between two good ways of reacting to this, for the poor men whose women bring this into their lives: (1) piss on the kneelers themselvs and pretend a lack of understanding, or (2) just quietly throw them out.
It'd take really entitled female with absolutely no forethought to buy a toilet that the seat could not be raised on - you KNOW how to respond to that.
at new years eve one girl asked around wether someone pissed standing up because the toilet seat was up, and who it had been. as if thats the kind of the thing you can ask people on a party. i said it was me and could she please put it back up again after she is finished.
@ Johannes
You *should* have said...
"weren't me, I pissed in the sink."
AfOR
what Afor said,
thx mate.
i'll remember that. i am sure this is gonna come up again.
waaaaay off topic! And now to our regularly scheduled program.....
Read this:
http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/culture/family/2705-feminist-gulag-no-prosecution-necessary
I already read it.
We post more here than any other major men's rights blog -- and probably by a large margin. A couple of times of week we do "off topic" stuff -- FRAs are just one side of a larger misandry prism, so these are off-topic but they aren't.
OK, now here's the reality. The reality is, I am boosting our audience by posting on different forums -- attracting people who might not want to read about another false rape case but maybe this gets their attention. I heard from a new reader for this one. OK, I've been outed - I do it for the same reason NBC is moving Leno back to 11:35 -- boost audience (on a much, much, much, much, much . . . smaller scale).
We invariably get one reader (proably the same one all the time) who doesn't like us doing off-topic stuff at all.
I understand. Just skip over it. Seriously. And then come back later in the day or after midnight -- you'll find another FRA story. And I promise you, we have lots more FRA stories than any other men's rights blog has posts. OK?
GG, I just don't like you. You are banned.
Good!
How about this one where the prosecutor is persecuting an innocence project team:
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=122359627&ps=cprs
Saw it already.
I'm working on an important piece about videotaping encounters to avoid FRAs. That'll be up this weekend.
"GG, I just don't like you. You are banned."
Oh, how I lol'd.
Aren't women who go out in public showing off everything "luxuriating in their femininity"? Heck, they're practically broadcasting it. Apparently, that's ok, but a man can't "luxuriate in his masculinity" even in private.
While I'm at it, ever heard a feminist say she's "proud to be a woman"? What is this supposed to mean anyway? I take pride in my accomplishments, not accidents of genetic recombination I have no control over.
GG,you are banned. You need to go post on a site that assumes there is no such thing as a false rape claim. You've grown angrier and angrier by the month here, and your comments are hateful and unproductive. Moreover, we have a lot of readers who were falsely accused. How would you like to be one of them, forced to read someone who claims they are a myth? Please do not post any more comments here. I gave you a chance after being banned before to post here again, and you've behaved like a defiant teenager. We will only entertain comments we believe are civil -- Steve and I own this blog, and it's our right to do that.
just a group of fascist women with their fascist fingers in one of their fascist sisters' fascist pies.
another troll bites the dust.
another troll bites the dust.
...
(with apologies to the late Freddy Mercury)
"I'm working on an important piece about videotaping encounters to avoid FRAs."
sounds good. sorry I was argumentative in the other thread (about avoiding FRA's), I read over the whole thread last night and see where you're coming from. (I didn't post this in that thread cause it's too late and you might not see my comment.)
Israel: Serial False Rape Allegations Maker Arrested
http://menrightsisrael.blogspot.com/2010/01/israel-malka-mali-zarihan-25-years-old.html
The original article is written in Hebrew.
http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-3834872,00.html
Thanks for banning her!!
She has one purpose and one purpose only and that is to troll this site.
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Good luck with any woman who wishes to bring one of those into my house. Did anyone notice the color chosen for this item is pink, an emascualating color?
No smoking in bars.
No peeing standing up.
It could happen.
randian,
"Aren't women who go out in public showing off everything "luxuriating in their femininity"? Heck, they're practically broadcasting it. Apparently, that's ok, but a man can't "luxuriate in his masculinity" even in private."
Very good point. And it exemplifies their totalitarian, supremacist mindset.
"While I'm at it, ever heard a feminist say she's "proud to be a woman"? What is this supposed to mean anyway? I take pride in my accomplishments, not accidents of genetic recombination I have no control over."
One can only assume that she has no accomplishments to be proud of, so she falls back on genetic accidents.
Anon,
"Did anyone notice the color chosen for this item is pink, an emascualating color?"
These things are designed purposefully to be humiliating. There is no legitimate purpose served, as anyone involved with them knows all too well.
Anon 2,
"No smoking in bars.
No peeing standing up.
It could happen."
Well, bars are public places, bathrooms are in one's own home.
Although feminists are working very hard to destroy any shred of privacy an individual (man) might lay claim to with their "personal is political" mantra.
Norm
I'm pretty sure that guy is gay.
re the diagrams comparing potential splash...
Note that the standing version implies piss directed straight into the water. Personally I deposit on the side of the bowl exactly as shown in the sitting version.
Reality is that this is about more control over men by women. The woman who presented me with this scenario would not suffer from splash on the floor or the seat. I would use her as my urinal. And it would only happen once.
...what will they think of next?
Archvist, Norm, SlWerner and, everone read this;
http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/editorials/stories/2009/11/05/pitt05.ART_ART_11-05-09_A17_HCFITSI.html?sid=101
There may need to be a call to action.
From the article suggested above
"What it is, is a fishing trip. What it is, is overreach. What it is, is a crude attempt at intimidation by officers of a justice system whose shoddy work stands exposed. What it is, is a warning to the next person who dares dig up unwelcome news."
I think that the word of what's taking place needs to be gotten out. However, the what really needs to happen in a situation like this is that new law needs to be made to specifically forbid the type of intimidation this prosecutor is attempting to employ.
I wouldn't count on the Illinois legislature to act correctly (Steven could probably give us a good run-down on the political system in his state). What I believe will end up happening here is that the new law will come via legal precedent from the appellate bench (case law) - if not Il's, then SCOTUS.
This will likely take significant time to achieve. Thus, in the meantime, hopefully the media can be convinced to shine a light on the misdeeds of the DA. The Innocence Project enjoys a favorable reputation with the general public. Hopefully fear for her job will force her to back off.
Anon at 1:41 p.m.
I checked your link. Part of the article there says,
"We are indebted to the Medill Innocence Project, which gives journalism students at Northwestern University real world experience in investigative reporting"
I guess the good news is it is not the regular Innocence Project that is under threat. The bad news is, if a bunch of students could dig this stuff up, why couldn't the original litigators (and reporters)?
sorry about my off-topic posts in this thread. Will try to steer back on track.
Norm said...
Anon at 1:41 p.m.
I checked your link. Part of the article there says,
"We are indebted to the Medill Innocence Project, which gives journalism students at Northwestern University real world experience in investigative reporting"
I guess the good news is it is not the regular Innocence Project that is under threat. The bad news is, if a bunch of students could dig this stuff up, why couldn't the original litigators (and reporters)?
Jan 16, 2010 3:46:00 PM
Perhaps the litigators are allowing the students to be their scapegoats?
Anybody who feels up to it should email admin@feministlawprofessors.com and ask that they keep their noses out of the toilet of men and boys.
In Japan these are on a toilet maker's website. They are being marketed for those with swollen prostates, and the elderly for whom standing to pee may be a problem, not for men in general. The page has only had a few hundred hits, and I've never seen them on TV, nor in anyone's house...I don't think they're a trend at all.
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