False rape claims are a reality, and sometimes there is nothing an innocent man or boy can do to prevent one from being lodged against him. Sometimes he is just in the wrong place at the wrong time. But a significant number of false rape claims can be avoided by exercising caution and avoiding situations where they are more likely to occur. Unlike rape, where political correctness gone mad tells us we should not put any burden on our daughters to avoid situations where rape is more likely to occur (that is called "victim blaming"), it would be unfortunate if we similarly hesitated to urge our sons to minimize the risk of false rape claims as a matter of principle. The long-term damage from a false rape claim is potentially so enormous that every reasonable effort should be taken to avoid it. Make no mistake, the onus for a false rape claim is on the false accuser, just as the onus for rape is on the rapist. But urging our young people to put themselves in harm's way just to make a politcal point is something no sane parent should ever do. It is no different from a parent telling a teenage son to avoid a bad neighborhood after dark.
Having closely studied false rape claims for a considerable period of time, I have compiled a short list of certain situations where false rape claims are more likely to occur, in no particular order of prevalence:
▲Casual hook-ups or one night stands involving alcohol. Asking the police or a jury to sort out what happened afterwards based on a "he said/she said" account puts a tremendous burden on our law enforcement and judicial apparatuses. But make no mistake: such situations are a recipe for disaster. Young men looking to "score" in that situation need to understand that women experience much greater after-the-fact regret than men do. Sometimes feelings of regret are translated into feelings of "being used," and sometimes feelings of "being used" are misinterpreted as "rape." Unfortunately, it is the politically correct thing to urge young women to party like the guys -- without bothering to tell them about the regret asymmetry that separates the genders.
▲Situations where the woman has motivation to deny sex with you was consensual. It is difficult to overestimate this one. In Prof. Kanin's first landmark false rape study, he found that the motive to cover up a sudden illicit encounter was the primary motivation for false rape claims. Situations to avoid: if the woman has a husband or a boyfriend, even if you think they are estranged; if the woman doesn't want her parents to know she is serious about you -- perhaps because she is too young or you are not "acceptable" to them; or if the woman is embarrassed to let her friends know she is serious about you. In each of these situations, if the woman doesn't want someone important to her to know she had sex with you, you are at risk of a false rape claim.
▲Group sex where there was one woman and multiple guys. This one is closely related to the previous point. First, we would be dishonest if we failed to acknowledge that gang rape is a reality. But, second, there's another reality that many people, especially many older people, do not care to admit occurs: our "hook-up" culture has spawned a trend where young women engage in consensual group sex activities with young men. Where there is just one young woman and multiple guys, this is a recipe for a false rape claim. Most sane young women will regret that encounter after-the-fact and will worry that at least one of the young men will "brag" about it, destroying what's left of her reputation. The fear of "slut shaming," as the feminists call it, seems to spawn off-the-charts regret, and that is a false rape claim waiting to happen.
▲Liars lose. If a woman claims you raped her, you are more likely to be charged if the police find you lied to the woman or to the police about even a matter that isn't crucial.
▲Being a school teacher, a police officer, an ambulance paramedic, or a cab driver. It would be a terrible thing if men stayed away from law enforcement or from being cab drivers the way men avoid the teaching profession due to fears about false rape claims. The reality is that men in any of these professions need to be especially vigilant. Police officers are at risk because some women charged with crimes lie about rape out of revenge or to claim that the charges were trumped up. Ambulance paramedics and cab drivers are sometimes targeted by delusional women or women looking for an excuse for some indiscretion.
▲Nasty break-ups. This one could be the most common situation for false rape claims. Divorce and custody disputes spawn false rape claims in order for the woman to gain the upper hand in the dispute. Spurned ex-lovers sometimes use false rape claims as a tool of revenge.
▲Older male, much younger female. A false rape claim is less plausible when it involves peers around the same age because the likelihood of a consensual relationship is greater. When a girl accuses a middle-aged man of rape, there is no possibility of legal consent, and actual consent is unlikely. Moreover, the allegation is generally viewed as so terribly loathsome that the mantra "guilty until proven innocent" is truly a reality for this one.
▲Teen boy, older woman. Sometimes women who statutorily rape teen boys will twice victimize them by falsely accusing them of rape. Such tactic has facial plausibility, given the male-as-predator stereotype, not to mention the relative naivette and exploding hormones of teen boys. It is especially disturbing that a woman would, as the cliche goes, throw her callow lover under the bus in order to save herself.
And I most certainly missed some -- please let me know if you can think of any others, and we'll add them to the list.
Addendum: A reminder: we do not advocate that you break the law by using video or audio recording evidence unless you do so legally. You need to check with the requirements of your particular state to see if it is legal.
Wednesday, January 13, 2010
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Part 1 of 2
There's a very well written comment at the link below with some suggestions on avoiding a false rape charge:
http://news.mensactivism.org/node/13851
"I have a feeling its somewhere between 25% and 40% with a caveat
Submitted by SacredNaCl on Sun, 2009-10-11 12:59.
25-40% is quite likely true if they are including date-rape, marital, ex-marital, and acquaintance rape allegations in it. There are plenty of motivations for people to file false charges, including: pure vindictiveness factor of many relationships ending, factor of buyer's remorse, blackmail/extortion, hookers whose John's don't pay and/or get in trouble for trying to rob them, get back at for real/imagined cheating, to cover actual cheating by the complaining party, cover for something else, financial rewards, usefulness in removing business/teaching/professional adversaries, divorce tactic (for the incredibly cruel - and include those almost always false allegations of child rape), same-sex encounter buyers remorse/not willing to be public with sexuality, considerable population of women (and men for that matter) that are bipolar, borderline personality disorder, or other personality disorder, or otherwise emotionally unstable, the attention seekers, and the considerable propaganda on many college campuses (where some claim its rape if she has two martini's and goes home with her husband).
Its not that I think the percentage of the population that is truly mentally ill enough to do this kind of thing is that large, its that the ones that are, are often frequent fliers. One need only look at battered women's shelters and see the number of women who are on their 5th, 6th, 7th + abusive boyfriend to realize the problem is pretty likely on the end of the person in the shelter (either a hooker with a pimp, or someone who makes their relationships violent through effort).
Its actually in the list of questions I ask before I'll agree to go on a date with someone. "Ever been raped?" "Ever taken prozac, paxil, zoloft?" "Ever had depression?" (Depression is a catch all people with more serious problems will admit to. Some bipolars will blurt out they are bipolar, but most borderlines wont tell you if they know, and many don't know and just think the world is screwed up and they are "okay"!). Ever been abused? (Which I leave very open ended.) Why did your last three relationships end? (Can be very revealing), along with "Tell me some things you liked about X-boyfriend/husband..?"
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Part 2 of 3
Yes to the rape question is a near automatic exclusion for me. If they were genuinely raped, they likely have some severe psychological trauma from it that will come back to bite me somewhere down the road. If they weren't, the story is for sympathy/other psychological reasons/psychotic, and very dangerous to be around. Potential false accuser, and either way - best to avoid. I do give some consideration to "I have an encounter once that if people hadn't been around I don't what might have happened" (so long as they don't have several of these stories.) The prozac question should be self-explanatory. While not everyone is perfectly mentally healthy all of the time, its a good bet if they admit to depression that they probably had some other problems as well (substance abuse? Bipolar? Borderline? Anxiety issues?) and it should make one want to explore that very completely (and talk to some people that know them to see what they have to say about them). Ever been abused is pretty obvious too. One boyfriend that was bad, and they left without a federal issue -- everyone can get unlucky once, maybe even twice, but three times in a row? Problem child. The reasons for their relationships ending are often clues, though seldom honest. Its just interesting to see how they slant it. The level of vindictiveness can often be judged here. The last one:If they can't say anything good about several of their ex's, its a bad sign. If one is all good, and the others all bad, also a bad sign. (I actually ask these questions a couple times). If they waiver on the good/bad with a person, its likely they have some type of black/white thinking problem, indicative of a personality disorder.
I didn't used to be this paranoid, and I had a greater ability to overlook red flags. Expensive life experiences have taught me the folly of my old ways. Now I imagine "What if she gets pregnant...I could be stuck dealing with this person for 20X years, or on the other side of a divorce or worse". I had the experience is being accused of rape when I was 20. The person did it to seek attention. Their attention seeking ruined my reputation with countless people, and I couldn't figure out for the life of me why she was doing it at the time. Her severe mental health issues didn't become obvious to the entire world until about 6 years later. Thankfully she picked a scenario for it that couldn't have happened, and nothing legally came of it, but I was miffed at the time. I should have been truly terrified at how easy it was. She has gone on to accuse a couple others of rape as well. One woman I went out with twice (and there was a reason there was no third date) - actually stabbed herself in the stomach and blamed it on an ex-boyfriend to cover up her inducing an abortion via drug abuse. She did this stunt not once,but twice. (The creepy vibes from her by the 2nd date made me want to run!)
Rape shield laws make this all the more disturbing. In some places in the US you can have an accuser that has made 2-3-4 false allegations in the past of rape, and you can't even introduce it (or find out about it unless they are one of the rarest of birds to get criminally charged) in your defense.
Part 3 of 3
If they are talking about stranger rape, the 10% figure doesn't become as unreasonable to believe, but its still probably closer to 15%. Police departments tend to have a fair degree or scrutiny, but its political suicide to unfound rape charges without overwhelming evidence that it was simply impossible to have taken place, or the 'victim' giving a full recantation, or you have an absolutely air tight alibi *(such as in another country at the time).
Given my experiences, I look at every allegation of rape as suspect, and the same with most allegations made during divorce, and for abuse. I do, however, tend to believe a lot of the allegations of consensual sex with teachers though. There are a considerable number of gay & lesbian teachers who do not have a problem taking home a 15 year old, so doing it with a student doesn't become that far fetched to me. There are a smaller number of straight male & female teachers that were attracted to the profession because of an inappropriate interest in kids, and more that might not pass up the opportunity to take home someone far younger. While its a slightly different ballpark taking home a 17 year old versus a 12 year old, I find both of them highly disturbing, and far too common. I have both sons, and a daughter, and I worry for both."
Great post.
Eye-opening: the group sex thing, which I hadn't thought about.
And: "In each of these situations, if the woman doesn't want someone important to her to know she had sex with you, you are at risk of a false rape claim."
And: the age differential where the male is much older.
And: the boys who are statutorily raped.
In posting the previous three parts (part 1 of 2 should have said part 1 of 3 btw) I admit I do not agree with the original commentor's assessment of teachers. There are have been far too many teachers, coaches and others in authority falsely accused by students as retribution or for other reasons.
In regard to teachers, care givers, youth leaders, and medical staff: always have an assistant or "chaperone" with you when working with women and children and document, document, document! Carry an audio recording device if the laws in your area allow it.
Good, solid thoughts on the matter! Good work!
Is this the piece prepared at Welmer's request for The Spearhead?
I'd be eager to see it posted there, as that site does draw in some of the hard-core "Game"/PUA crowd, who all too often fail to consider the risks of seducing random women.
"Group sex where there was one woman and multiple guys"
As if on cue (AfOR suggested this one on the previous thread), Men cleared as rape woman's group sex fantasy revealed.
Seems I botched that link - Men cleared as rape woman's group sex fantasy revealed
A good set of guidelines for those in medical practice from the College of Surgeons and Physicians of Ontario:
http://www.webcitation.org/5EmdBbQBl
"Avoid Complaints of Sexual Abuse
It is important for physicians to develop practices that clearly communicate the intentions of the physician towards the patient. The following list of 16 suggestions may help physicians avoid complaints of sexual misconduct and prevent boundary violations:
1) Avoid any behaviour, gestures or expressions that may be seductive or sexually demeaning to a patient.
2) Show sensitivity and respect for the patient's privacy and comfort at all times:
do not watch a patient dress or undress
provide privacy and appropriate covers and gowns
3) Obtain permission to do intimate examinations, offer explanations as to the necessity of the examination and answer or anticipate questions concerning the examination.
4) Use gloves when examining genitals.
5) Do not make sexualized comments about a patient's body or clothing.
6) Do not make sexualized or sexually demeaning comments to a patient.
7) Do not criticize a patient's sexual preference.
8) Do not ask or make comments about potential sexual performance except where the examination or consultation is pertinent to the issue of sexual function or dysfunction.
9) Do not ask details of sexual history or sexual likes/dislikes unless related to the purpose of the consultation or examination.
10) Do not request a date with a patient.
11) Do not kiss a patient. Do offer appropriate supportive contact when warranted.
12) Do not engage in any contact that is sexual (from touching to intercourse).
13) Do not talk about your own sexual preferences, fantasies, problems, activities or performance.
14) Learn to detect and deflect seductive patients and to control the therapeutic setting.
15) Maintain good records which indicate the necessity for intimate examinations or questions of a sexual nature as well as the pertinent positive or negative clinical findings.
16) Patients have the right to a third party present during internal/intimate examinations if they wish, with the exception of life threatening emergencies. In some cases, the physician will be able to provide this third party. In cases where the physician is unable to provide such a person, patients should be informed that they may bring a person of their choosing with them. In non-emergency situations, physicians have the right to insist that a third party be present during internal/intimate examinations, and to refuse to conduct this examination if the patient refuses consent for a third party to be in the room."
False rape claims happen in spa / clinical environments too !
Workers who are particularly at risk (and should consider having a chaperone at all times when working with female clients): male physical therapists, male nurses, male gynocologists, male massage therapists, male chiropractors, radiologists [basically any profession where a man could potentially be in a room alone with a woman -- always have an assistant or chaperone with you!]
While these points are valid and true, by the time you have protected yourself I think you will find life in the tibetan cave a little dull.
So, I would also posit the following;
Methods to immunise yourself against a false rape charge.
1/ buy a small cigarette lighter size solid state recorder, and always have it turned on in any social setting.
2/ If possible, do your chatting up via MSN or equivalent methods that allow you to keep a log, eg second life, world or warcraft, emails.
3/ never have sex anywhere except your own home, make this a publicly stated policy that everyone knows about.
4/ covertly record (audio and video) all your sexual encounters, and keep them archived for at least 10 years, if not longer.
5/ record ALL audio in your house, and keep this archived for at least 10 years, if not longer.
All of the above is doable, *well*, to a high standard, for less than 2 thousand bucks of hardware, which is a LOT less than bail for grabbing a tit.
Points 4 and 5, it is important you record ALL encounters, not just some, just some makes you a pervert, all makes you a paranoid... perverts get convicted, paranoid don't...
In closing, the "don't lie" is the single most important piece of advice IMHO.
I would also say as preventative medicine, RIGHT NOW go and watch the youtube video (49 mins)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wXkI4t7nuc
and burn it in to your memory for life.
That video and not telling a lie saved my life.
AfOR
"I think you will find life in the tibetan cave a little dull."
Not at all. I've been 100% celibate for years now and I don't miss it one bit. Heterosexuality is just too dangerous to participate in anymore. I've set myself free.
Anonymous - "Carry an audio recording device if the laws in your area allow it."
Don't let laws against secretly recording prevent you from using such a device (there are scant few places where it is legal to do without consent of the second party).
The penalties for secretly recording conversation are far better to face than an FRA. Where no (monetary) fraud is involved, I'd have to imagine that it would likely be no more than a misdemeanor charge - just like what false accusers typically face (and we all know, all too well, just how well that has served to prevent FRA's).
1. Keep it in your pants.
2. Video tape everything. This also helps you in cases where you are assused, even though there was no sex taking place.
3. Maintain a reputation for doing #1. Then if you are falsely acused, no one will believe it.
4. A unique tattoo on your willie will also help defend against women who claim you had any intimate contact with them, when you did not. This won't help you if you really did.
videotaping also helps with all kinds of other troubles: Police mal-behaviors, under 18 males drawing you into a fist fight.
Always know what is on it. If it shows you committing a crime, definitely erase it before the police seize it as evidence against you.
Women will kill their own children to avoid looking like a slut. They will definitely lie to do the same.
Casual hook-ups or one night stands involving alcohol
If she's going to lie about being raped by you, won't she lie about being intoxicated too? It's not as if "I was drunk" is a disprovable statement days after the fact.
Good, solid thoughts on the matter! Good work!
Is this the piece prepared at Welmer's request for The Spearhead?
slwerner,
Pierce wrote this. I was writing up something a bit different. But I like this better than what I've written.
Pierce,
Can you call me when you get time? Thanks.
Steve
AFOR/Professor Hale,
While I don't disagree with the recording aspect, you need to make it very clear that if you don't have the consent of the other party, in a lot of places you are going to jail as it is against the law.
If you are going to record, you need to state that plainly and clearly. For your home, a sign by the door stating that the premises, and all activities therin are recorded, and that by entering the home you consent to being recorded, may be the way to go. Pierce can probably comment more on the legality of what I am recommending.
Everyone should check the federal and their state laws as to what is allowed.
Steve, just left you a message. I've been meaning to give you a call this week.
I like your advice about recording. Put 'em on notice and if they proceed, they can hardly complain.
Pierce,
got your message. I'm emailing you a copy of what I wrote up for the request from welmer at the spearhead, that slwerner referenced above. It dovetails with what you wrote here. The 2 may be something we might want to combine and post here as a document available for download. If time permits, can you call me on my cell around 8 Central time tonight (1/13)? I'll email you the number, just in case.
Of course, you don't have to have sex, or even any contact, for a woman to falsely accuse you of rape. Most of what is on that list, as well as the video/audio recording, would only apply to a legal defense. It won't do anything to save your reputation. Whether or not people believe a rape accusation is not based on facts and reason. Imho, most false rape accusations aren't made to the police, and most of those made to the police never make it to court.
Oh sure, every college freshman coed wants to be date-raped or gang raped. How can you people be serious? Have you bothered to look up why some frats get suspended? Start with Tulane.
Most girls NEVER report rape. Not reporting rape is normal.
Not prosecuting false rape claims is normal, too.
"Oh sure, every college freshman coed wants to be date-raped or gang raped."
Oh sure, every college guy wants to rape coeds.
Check it out Snark. 90% of fresh meat happens during RUSH WEEK. Fresh meat are guess who?
Pick a hand and have at it. You're better off.
Hey, Anon re: the fresh meat: please be careful what you say here. We are dedicated to giving voice to false rape victims, and one of the great hurdles we overcome is this myth that rape among college students is rampant. Please understand that we take rape seriously, and we have an appreciation for rape victims (rapists give false rape victims a bad name), but we do not take kindly to myths -- you would do well to read "The Campus Rape Myth" referenced on the right side of our page. We have a lot of readers who were falsely accused, and comments like yours are triggers. If you are one of the women who have been banned from this site, please stop now. Otherwise, keep it civil and don't repeat myths that can't be backed up.
Pierce I would just delete these troll comments.
That is the sure fire way to make them go away.
On almost every other site they approve the comment before it is even posted.
This topic is too important to be sidetracked with these pieces of trash.
Anonymous - "Most girls NEVER report rape. Not reporting rape is normal."
Seems your comment got cut-off somehow.
What you obviously meant to include is that is because most girls are never raped [a fact backed up by the valid statistics - even with hyper-inflated calculated non-reporting rates of 60%]
In fact, through the entirety of their lives, an overwhelming majority of women will also never be raped, and, thus, have nothing to report.
"Most girls NEVER report rape. Not reporting rape is normal."
Then how do you know it happens?
"Check it out Snark. 90% of fresh meat happens during RUSH WEEK. Fresh meat are guess who?"
I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about, but I'll take it as a refutation of my argument that not all men at college are rapists.
Which means that you think men on campuses are by definition, rapists.
This is why this site exists.
Nothing on this post is about rape - it's about a different crime, false rape accusations, and how to avoid them.
Yet you come on here, guns blazing asking if we're "serious" about being rape apologists.
But nobody ever mentioned rape.
We're talking about false rape accusations, a very real and serious crime, which is not the same as rape.
Would you like to reconsider your statements?
Or are you insisting that women should get justice, but men should not?
"Situations where the woman has motivation to deny sex with you was consensual"
that sounds like a 'catch-all' and it is really too general. For example, a woman my lie to you about whether she is married or not. A woman could have all kinds of hidden motivations.
Recognizing this, I'd either take this one one step further, or add a new item:
"Any situtation where you get a 'funny feeling' about the woman, even if you can't put your finger on it. Just a feeling is enough, it doesn't have to be a suspicion per se.
You know, in this day and age, we might as well say only to have sex in a monogamous relationship with a woman you have already dated at least a couple times. It might sound like the 'moral' route, but here I am suggesting it within the context of false claims, and diseases to boot.
"90% of fresh meat happens during RUSH WEEK."
You sound like a complete idiot. You speak as if a woman or girl can desire to have sex, but she is still "meat" in the sense that the man better watch his step.
Meat is as meat does. And that's not 'victim blaming', because there's no victim unless there's been a rape.
"Most girls NEVER report rape."
How do you know?
"buy a small cigarette lighter size solid state recorder, and always have it turned on in any social setting"
Do they really make them that small, and if so how do I get one? (this is a serious request.)
actually now that I think of it, I'm not sure that audio is admissible in court. I'm pretty sure video is, however. At least, that's what someone who would know told me about recording police traffic stops from your car. In fact, it is illegal to record the audio.
Norm, meat is as meat does? HELLLOOOOOOO? You are a complete moron. Did you ever get past the 7th grade?
Girls are now lying about being raped all the time..lying about being raped has become normal.
Deviant groups on college campuses have alot at stake to keep the "women are being raped all over the place" hysteria going.
Norm, not a catch-all -- you gotta read the whole paragraph. It's when the girl is afraid that someone important to her will disapprove of her having sex with him.
Snark and slwerner, great comments as usual.
yes Pierce, I did read the whole paragraph. How can the man know what her reason will be? If he knew ahead of time, sex would not occur; therefore, it is effectively a catch-all.
anon,
what are you talking about?
Pierce Harlan - "Snark and slwerner, great comments as usual."
Thanks, But I've got to conceded the "Best Of Comment of the Day Award to Snark for this one. [not an FRA site/thread, but his FRA commentary was never-the-less perfect for the discussion]
Snark, That was one great post - you should adapt it for this thread as well.
[BTW, was that you being a feminist troll, or a rape apologist? According to the one not-to-be-name clown, you're one or the other.]
regulations by state on audio recording:
http://www.rcfp.org/taping/
Some states are "one party" states, meaning that it is legal if you are a party to the conversation, you can record it without the consent of the other members.
What about physicians that have recorders in the room and provide audio recordings of the office visits to their patients? Or a doctor that takes audio notes on his patients on a portable device?
Perhaps Pierce can comment more on the issue.
@norm
example audio recorder about the size of a pocket lighter:
http://www.amazon.com/iriver-T10-Player-Tuner-Black/dp/B000GGMJ5W
With regards to the admissibility or lack there of in court of covert audio recordings. I imagine that they may be useful early on in the game, while it's still in the investigation phase. While I know that people's opinions of the police ain't exactly high around here, showing them the recording may stop those that are actually interested in justice going any further.
One thing as well, their usefulness will increase by several orders of magnitude if you can somehow get the time stamped. Don't know if its possible or not though.
I still think a small "nanny cam" would be usefull. Preferably one with not only time stamp capability in it but, also audio recording capability. I know some of you may not like google but, here are some results.
http://www.google.com/products?hl=en&source=hp&q=spy+cameras+with+audio+capability&um=1&ie=UTF-8&ei=uihPS8L4FsaWtgfPss29CQ&sa=X&oi=product_result_group&ct=title&resnum=3&ved=0CCUQrQQwAg
http://www.google.com/products?hl=en&source=hp&q=spy+cameras+with+audio+capability&um=1&ie=UTF-8&ei=uihPS8L4FsaWtgfPss29CQ&sa=X&oi=product_result_group&ct=title&resnum=3&ved=0CCUQrQQwAg
"Most girls NEVER report rape. Not reporting rape is normal."
Most men NEVER rape. Feminists lying about rape is normal.
A friend was accused of raping a young girl 1 year after he broke up with her mother. He was living with another woman at that time when the cops knocked on his door. He lived in a place where you had to be buzzed in the door. After he was arrested, and pleaded not guilty, the court did nothing for 4 years, because they had no evidence! None! He was not put in jail or watched by the police. He carried on his usual routine (work, home or with friends). Then 4 years went by and he was brought to court and his court appointed lawyer told the judge they didn't want a trial. So the judge sentenced him to 3-5 years with no evidence. The child's mother told my friends father that she knew he didn't do it, but was kept out of the court because she has mental problems and was known to in the "system". He has served 5 years, because he refused to say he did it. He is to be released in 3 months with this hanging over his head! He can't afford a lawyer and he's been in touch with the New England Innocence Project, but they haven't contacted him. He has no money and doesn't know what to do. I wish I could help him, but I also am broke.He needs help as others do, but what can we do?
that's a little confusing. If it wasn't the girl who accused him, who was it? Also, was it his own decision not to go to trial? It seems to me he would have had some say in that.
"He has served 5 years, because he refused to say he did it"
you mean like when he comes up for parole every year or something, they ask him "did you do it"?
Innocent people caught in the system find themselves in a uniquely painful predicament: To obtain parole and a chance to rebuild their lives, they must allocute to the offense for which they were convicted.
In some cases, this confession is coupled with a polygraph examination, which puts genuinely innocent people in an inescapable double-bind: If they assert their innocence, they will be denied parole; if they falsely confess to the charges, they'll most likely fail the polygraph examination, with the same result.
The false rape industry is one more reason for men to boycott women completely; it's unlikely to happen, but I would love to see a large-scale movement encouraging men not to pursue any type of sex or relationship with women until, for example, rape laws and their application change significantly enough to make dating and sex less dangerous.
"The false rape industry is one more reason for men to boycott women completely...."
Amen. I did. I don't miss it at all anymore. I am truly liberated.
Thanks to the person who posted the "don't talk to police" video. It's very insightful.
I was looking for a few articles on the Biurny Gonzalez case and found this:
"It didn't help that McCaffrey [the falsely accused man] -- who has a long rap sheet of drug and violence arrests -- claimed that absolutely nothing happened in the car, because an argument did erupt, although there wasn't a sexual assault or rape, law-enforcement sources said. "
Like the video says, don't talk to the police, even if you are 100% innocent. There's just too much danger of an unforseen contradiction wandering into your story which will later be used to hang you.
sabril,
sometimes the police 'help' the contradiction wander in...they ask questions designed to trip you up, ostensibly so as to 'verify your account' of events.
Anonymous said...
"Oh sure, every college freshman coed wants to be date-raped or gang raped".
Jan 13, 2010 6:20:00 PM
Do you have proof of this?
I'm quite sure if you ask any man or boy, they will tell you that they dod not want to be falsely accused of rape or any other violent crime against a woman/girl.
Anonymous said...
Check it out Snark. 90% of fresh meat happens during RUSH WEEK. Fresh meat are guess who?
Jan 13, 2010 7:12:00 PM
Again, do you have proof?
BTW, who or what is the other 10 percent supposed to be?
Norm said...
"buy a small cigarette lighter size solid state recorder, and always have it turned on in any social setting"
Do they really make them that small, and if so how do I get one? (this is a serious request.)
Jan 13, 2010 8:09:00 PM
There are a number of item to check out at these sites;
http://www.thespystore.com/
http://www.theprotectionpros.com/
http://www.spylife.com/
http://www.4yoursecurity.com/
http://www.dpl-surveillance-equipment.com/
You are, in advance, welcome Norm.
Im doing some work into this area and I was wondering whether anybody knows of any studies into the social exclusion of false rape vitims upon accquital.
The Archivist
!I don't agree with the Archivist!
Archivist said:
While I don't disagree with the recording aspect, you need to make it very clear that if you don't have the consent of the other party, in a lot of places you are going to jail as it is against the law.
Me:
I don't agree with you. Your not taking the BIG picture into consideration. Like a previous commentator stated, "The penalties for secretly recording conversation are far better to face than an FRA(False Rape Accusation)."
If a woman knows she is being video taped then she will alter her story to make her lie look credible. You don't even want to imagine what she could do to you. THE ELEMENT OF SURPRISE IS YOUR ONLY SALVATION FROM A FALSE RAPE ACCUSATION!
Archivist said:
If you are going to record, you need to state that plainly and clearly. For your home, a sign by the door stating that the premises, and all activities therin are recorded, and that by entering the home you consent to being recorded, may be the way to go. Pierce can probably comment more on the legality of what I am recommending.
Me:
Would the Archivist really believe his own words if he/she knew he was going to face 25 years to life in prison for a rape he never committed?
To catch a woman in a lie and to have credible evidence, you need to first secretly record so when she makes false statements to the police, the police will identify her lies with the truth which is on the video.
What if a guy listened to the Archvist? The woman on the video who knows she is being recorded would start to complain about rape so she could have false evidence against you. Legally if she is on video and she starts to complain that she doesn't want have sex, then you have to stop. If the police look at the video and see that you stopped, it's not rape. Rape starts at the point where she doesn't want it anymore and you continue. Not letting her know she is being video recorded is the only method you have to show she is lying. Your better off not telling her she is being recorded because you need the element of surprise on your side. If she lies to the police, they will have the secret video to expose her lie. Without a secret video, it will be harder for you to defend yourself against her lie. Six months in jail or a fine is better than doing 25 to life in prison.
Archivist said: Everyone should check the federal and their state laws as to what is allowed.
Me: They should check federal and state laws, but they should also check the penalties for rape so they can compare the two penalties. They will realize that 6months in jail is better than life in prison. What you didn't tell them was that they can sue the woman for monetary damages to compensate them for the 6 months in jail. All they have to do is show a copy of the video, which they stored somewhere, to several friends and their friends can serve as witnesses that the sex they saw on the video was consensual. I doubt you will be allowed to introduce the video in court if there is an objection by her attorney but you can bring witnesses who saw the video.
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