There are times, when I wish that news publishers would add a bit more detail to thier stories. Things like why she falsely cried she was sexually assaulted, her name, her picture... just things that would help young men identify her so they can avoid being on the receiving end of a future false accusation.
Young girl falsely cries seuxal assault.
Police have found a young girl's claim she was sexually assaulted in a Christchurch cemetery was false.
She told them two men attacked her as she was walking through the grounds of Kendal School towards Waimairi Cemetery late last Monday night.
But police say they have found the incident did not happen the way they were told, and they are no longer looking for anyone in connection with it.
The girl will be referred to youth aid.
Link:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10612590
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Off topic but I thought some of you might be interested in reading this;
http://mensrightsboard.blogspot.com/2009/12/pelosi-looks-out-for-womenmen-are-on.html
and this;
http://mensrightsboard.blogspot.com/2009/12/time-for-uk-to-hang-it-up.html
"Pelosi looks out for women;men are on their own"
It's the same thing in Wa state. Two female politicians there are going to bat for convicted murderer Amanda Knox just because of gender politics.
You see, young college girls with puppy-dog faces that always smile in the camera would never murder anyone. Right? Right! Just like they don't falsely accuse men of rape either!
They would never try to free the person if it was a male. It makes me sick.
"There are times, when I wish that news publishers would add a bit more detail to thier stories."
I could not agree more.
While, in this case, she's a juvenile (and, thus, cannot be named); it would still be instructive to reveal why she made such a claim. It's my personal belief that people would become more aware of the prevalence of FRA's if they were told WHY women and girls make them. I believe too many people are left wondering why would an FRA be made, and since they cannot understand the "why" of it, they tend to dismiss it as an anomaly, and put it out of mind.
I'd contend that if the "why" were answered for them, the "lights" would pop on for them, and they'd begin to understand the many circumstance in which women and girls WILL resort to FRA's.
Seeing FRA's as logical (twisted, to be sure, but, never-the-less born of cold, hard logic) will help the uninitiated understand why they DO happen so often. It's not the rare "deeply disturbed" women, but rather the cold-heart b*tch - and everyone knows there are far more of the latter.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/dec/27/goodbye-noughties-lesbianism-men
AfOR
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/dec/20/nick-cohen-rape-jury-law
AfOR
One of the comments says it all
"From my experience as a young woman, I find a big gap between my male friends' experiences of rape and my female friends' experience of rape. To my male friends, rape is this absolutely alien, evil, out-there crime that sick bad guys do. They imagine rapists to be mentally deranged perverts who are most likely a danger to society. They also imagine rapists to be rare. To even suggest they know or are friends with a rapist shocks them. They don't know anyone personally who has been raped. With my female friends (and myself) it's a different story. We all know rapists or have met a rapist. We have all known someone who was raped"
From a comment, from a linked article - "We have all known someone who was raped"
Which really means, "We have all known someone who says she was raped".
Interesting that this should come up now, because I just learned something that I was wanting to share anyway.
Just moments before I read this, I was in a conversation with a co-worker, and I brought up the subject of FRA's with him. I mentioned the Hofstra FRA incident, and, since I had comment about it not to much earlier, I lamented that a lot of people don't seem to believe that so many FRA's occur because they do not understand WHY they occur.
Well, turns out he had an interesting anecdote to relate.
Seems his wife had had this friend who'd been divorced before they (my coworkers wife, and she) met. Her story was that she had been raped, and her ex could deal with it and blamed her for getting raped - so they divorced. My coworker and his wife though that her ex must be the worlds biggest A-hole to have so little sympathy for his victimized wife.
Then, it seems my coworker actually met some one who knew that couple before they divorced. My coworker inquired about what kind of man the ex had been (still thinking he'd rejected her because she'd been raped).
From what my coworker just told me, this other person set the record straight about what had happened. the woman had not been raped, but had been caught in their marital bed with another man by the (then) husband. He hadn't divorced her because she been raped, but rather because she was cheating on him.
And, it seems that when my coworker told his wife, and she asked that "friend" about it, the women threw a fit at his wife and they haven't spoken since.
Now, I'd heard numerous other stories about women's previous (consensual) sexual escapades morphing into rape-stories over time. But this was a brand-new twist on the theme for me (thus my eagerness to share it).
I guess this would fit into a the category of unreported FRA's?
@D.T.:
If you are having trouble finding the Hofstra related items I mentioned, check in the September '09 archives on the right-hand side of the page, about half-way down.
Or, start <a href="http://falserapesociety.blogspot.com/2009/09/college-students-rape-lie-caused-four.html>here</a>.
Sorry, I messed up that link:
It's here.
HAPPY NEW YEAR members of the FRS. May GOD be with all of you this year.
It is extremely interesting for me to read that blog. Thank you for it. I like such themes and everything connected to this matter. I would like to read a bit more on that blog soon.
Has anyone perused this feminist website?
http://www.thenewfeminism.net/thenewfeminism/Welcome.html
Charlotte rape, carjacking claim was a lie
CHARLOTTE COUNTY: A woman who claimed she was carjacked and raped in South Punta Gorda Heights was lying, according to Charlotte County deputies.
http://www.abc-7.com/Global/story.asp?S=11752909
Police: Rape account false
Both girls were interviewed and investigators determined that both had lied about the incident. They had made up the story to avoid getting into trouble with their parents for being out too late,
http://www.dailyworld.com/article/20091231/NEWS01/912310303/1002/Police-Rape-account-false
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1239689/Female-U-S-teacher-jailed-20-years-sleeping-pupil-13.html
AfOR
I agree with you Mr. SlWerner. More needs to be revealed concerning not only why women and girls who falsely accuse men and boys of rape do what they do but, also falsely accuse men and/or boys of any violent crime(s) they falsely accuse them of. I suspect it has not only do do with bits and pieces of crap they learned from feminist endorsed/repeated BS but, also to do with how they see other false accusers are treated and rewarded for lying.
I think there are several reasons.
1/ boys learn at an early age from other boys that winning by lying or cheating is not acceptable... it will get you a beating, outsider status, and a nasty nickname.
In many ways boys do not even need to see this happen to another boy to learn this lesson, what happens when you are tall / short / fat / skinny / whatever is enough of a warning... of course this was when it was normal for boys to play in gangs and refer to each other as "lanky" and "ginger"
2/ I have *distinct* early memories of my mother telling me about her mother telling her "better a thief than a liar, at least you can lock the door on a thief"
With the fragmentation of the family you get the **FAR** more damaging fragmentation of the extended family...
today parenting = "shut up and watch sesame street"
3/ with the fragmentation of the family the role of the man / father in the raising of the girls and boy children has been eradicated.
my false accuser did not know her father.
"wait till your father gets home" no more.
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A personal anecdote.
When I see kids misbehaving, I shake my head, and I used to say "my dad would have kicked my ass if I had done that"
It is only since my current problems that I have actually sat down and re-examined that.
I know I was smacked now and again for being naughty, but, try as I might, I cannot think of a single example of being beaten by my parents.
I know it happened, but, it must be lost in all the good times, all the security, all the safety, all the rest of my childhood.
and I come back to my reaction...
"my dad would have kicked my ass"
is actually, in truth...
"my dad WOULD have kicked my ass"
that knowledge, or belief, was obviously enough to stop me doing most things that would deserve an ass kicking...
AfOR
When law enforcement manufacture the 2% false rape statistic, when the actual percentages of false rape accusations are at least 50% or more..this missinformation creates a "prejudice against the innocent" in the minds of the average American, and the average American "jury of ones peers".
This "missinformation Alliance" is un-constitutional, and a perversion of our justice system.
Anonymous - ”I agree with you Mr. SlWerner. More needs to be revealed concerning not only why women and girls who falsely accuse men and boys of rape do what they do but...”
Careful there, that kind of agreement might well inspire me to some thread-hijacking rant on one of my “pet” theories…
(too late)
If we look at the two stories recently linked in this thread, both the story of the two young girls using an FRA to cover for being out lat having sex (11 & 12 years old, REALLY!? WTF!?), and the carjacking/FRA to cover for a drunken, after-party car crash story clearly spell out for the reader the motivation for the FRA having been made.
This removes the ambiguity that the FRA-apologist like to hide behind. There is no possibility for theme to drop the old lines about: “we don’t really know what happened/something must have happened”, or “it just the patriarchal rape cultural discouraging women from pursuing justice”. Those tactics won’t work, because it’s KNOWN why they lied. Even readers of the stories who might not be aware of the pervasive problem of FRA’s can still see that neither is just some rare, isolated case of a deeply disturbed woman crying out for “help” – but simply women and girls using the FRA card in hopes of covering for their own bad behaviors. If only such information would always be given…
But, let me also back up a bit here, and go into a bit about what transpired between my co-worker and I yesterday.
He was typical of those who just have no idea about the extent of the problem, even though he knew of a perfect example of how women use FRA’s to cover a host of their ills.
It started out with his telling me about his son’s plans to attend NY State U @ Stony Brook, on Long Island. The relative proximity to Hofstra, not to mention the relative privacy afford by the nearly deserted state of our building, provided me with a perfect “intro” into bring up the need to inform his son about the potential danger that he could face from FRA’s (Marc Rudov tuned me into doing this some time back – increasing relevant as my 17 year-old son starts to consider college).
I figured that the incident a Hofstra would serve as a prime example. However, it turned out that he still thought that it was a girl having been gang-raped. He had only heard the initial accounts that splashed on the national headlines, but none of the follow-up revelations regarding the truth thereof.
In almost predictable fashion, he disbelieving asked, “Why would a woman lie about that?”
All I had to do was explain about her attempt to cover her sexual escapades from her boyfriend, and it was as if a light “popped on” for him. It suddenly made sense to him. And, it inspired him to recall the he, too, knew of a woman using a false rape story to cover for a sexual escapade and subsequent divorce. The “dots” just needed to be connected for him (no offense D.T.). He actually a very intelligent person, it just that as it is for so many, the issue has never been presented in a way that made it important for him.
I have to wonder how many other there are out there who also know of a few instances of FRA’s (reported to police or not), but simply figure them to be random, rare, and isolated cases. To me, it’s like holding a single piece to a jigsaw puzzle, having some inkling as to the nature of the larger picture, but no way to imagine what it really looks like.
Similarly, I suspect plenty of people have heard stories about rape allegations having been dismissed, but never bothered to consider that likely hood the it was because it was determined to be false – as opposed to a lack of evidence, the women not being believed, or the women refusing to cooperate (not wanting to be “re-raped” in trial, as feminists like to insinuate). I figure this is because so many accounts fail to explain how it came to be known false nor the motive for the FRA to have been made.
Providing more detail WRT FRA stories is one example of where knowledge truly can be empowering. [/rant]
"Providing more detail WRT FRA stories is one example of where knowledge truly can be empowering."
That is why I sent Pierce copies of ALL my documentation and affidavits etc. BOTH sides, warts and all.
When my case is over he can do exactly what you say. My only stipulation was that given names are redacted, and it waits until my case is over.
AfOR
A little, completely off topic, point that I wish to make about false rape accusations.
Rape is a horrific crime, but the actual ordeal is limited in duration, measured in a period of minutes.
Afterwards there may well be days / weeks / months / years of coming to terms with it.
Being a victim of a false rape accusation is a horrific thing, but the actual ordeal is measured in a period of months / years as a minimum, before and hope that stage passing, and coming to terms with it.
False Rape Accusations therefore have *much* more in common with those extremely rare and infamous cases of kidnap and rape, where the ordeal goes on for months / years, than with rape, where the ordeal merely goes on for minutes.
To my mind, the sentencing for a false rape accusation should be on a par with the sentencing for a long term kidnap and rape, which essentially means "Go to prison, stay there until you die."
AfOR
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/iraq/article6973482.ece
Iraqi prisoners ‘were sexually humiliated by female British soldier’
Fourteen new cases of sexual abuse have been made against a secretive British Army interrogation unit
AfOR
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Very good, informative and, authorative Mr. SlWerner. In many cases it simply takes showing someone the whole picture or, enough of it, for them to see what is actually there.
IMHO, false accusers of all types will continue to make false accusations as long as people will believe them.
Oh, and as long as they are allowed to get away with it.
Mr. SlWerner, thank you for showing him the truth.
AfOR
Jan 1, 2010 10:41:00 PM
I agree. Notice that while there is counseling for real rape and sexual assault victims, there is none for for those falsely accused of either ocrime.
Anonymous said...
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/iraq/article6973482.ece
Iraqi prisoners ‘were sexually humiliated by female British soldier’
Fourteen new cases of sexual abuse have been made against a secretive British Army interrogation unit
AfOR
Jan 1, 2010 10:45:00 PM
Imagine how people would have reacted if those prisoners, and those who were at Abu Ghraib, were all females.
"While, in this case, she's a juvenile (and, thus, cannot be named)"
Yet, the press often names juvenile males who have been accused of rape. For example, this article not only names the 16-year-old accused, but gives his home address:
http://www.niagara-gazette.com/local/local_story_306213025.html
That is a blatant violation of his constitutional right to privacy and anonyminity.
Afor at 10:41
I agree with what you are saying about the length of time that you are put through hell in a false accusation. Not to mention the effect it has on your reputation for life even if proven innocent.
That is why there needs to be really serious punishment for false accusations.
I will tell you a little story of my own on being falsely accused.
I got falsely accused (not of any sex crime but for something that could have got me expelled) and I was put through two months of hell over it.
As you might have guessed I have hated false accusers ever since.
The part that is so horrible I think is that at any time during that two months it could have been called off...but no they went to sleep every night knowing that they were hurting me and that was just fine with them.
To me you have to be a total piece of human trash to do that to someone.
I hope everything works out for you and that your accuser goes to prison and you get compensated VERY well for what you have been through.
slwerner states:
"This removes the ambiguity that the FRA-apologist like to hide behind. There is no possibility for theme to drop the old lines about: “we don’t really know what happened/something must have happened”, or “it just the patriarchal rape cultural discouraging women from pursuing justice”."
Exactly! Notice that within this story itself, the ambiguity of the words...
"But police say they have found the incident did not happen the way they were told,..."
Notice that they, intentionally I believe, let the reader formulate the idea "that SOMETHING must have still happened". But seem to omit what "it" is.
Why?
We all know why.
TMOTS
He says, "Rape is a horrific crime, but the actual ordeal is limited in duration, measured in a period of minutes."
So no big deal. If she's held and raped for two hours, then it's okay for her to complain, right? Your logic leaves me speechless.
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