"To a woman, that is incredible. To go to your parents and tell them you were raped instead of telling them you are pregnant is ridiculous."
TONI MASSARO, then-University of Florida assistant professor of law, on Dr. Charles McDowell's assertion that false rape claims tend to help solve a personal problem of the accuser, such as engaging in forbidden sexual activity. Gainesville Sun, May 5, 1985
My comment: "Incredible," she harrumphed. And "ridiculous." In fact, subsequent research by a sociologist who was highly respected in the feminist community, Dr. Eugene Kanin, affirmed Dr. McDowell's research. No research has been conducted to dispute it. Moreover, this Web site offers daily examples that prove Dr. McDowell's assertion was anything but "incredible" or "ridiculous." Case after case after case show his assertion was spot-on. So long as the sexual grievance industry insists on conflating its dreams for a Utopian feminist world with the reality of the world where we actually live, it will not have credibility.
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Yup, its best to be careful when it comes to rapes. To many people are being wrongfully accused of rapes in India. Why cant we have a 'sex consent form'. In fact MensXP has once again hit the nail on the head. Be safe than get arrested for consensual sex: http://www.mensxp.com/Article.aspx?id=1979
At least for U.S. men, sex consent forms won't work. Putting aside the practical question about whether any woman would ever agree to one (which seem to be the overriding question), they are legally infirm. Whether we are talking contract law or the law of rape, anyone can change his or her mind after signing. (Not to get too technical, but "no oral modification" clauses in contracts can be waived.) No court would declare a rape consensual when it is accomplished without consent at the time the act occurs, and any agreement that purports to give blanket consent would be declared against public policy. Since anyone can legally change his or her mind, what good would a form do to stop false rape claims? For U.S. men, trust me, don't wast your time.
The feminist, shrill hysteria over "rape culture" is about power. The girls want to maintain the power of the vajayjay over men. Rape takes away that power.
Consider this quote: "power isn’t really power if it can be revoked by sheer physical intimidation. The threat of violence is always there to reenact and reset the fundamental power imbalance between women and men"
This is what makes rape so heinous to the rape culture crowd.
"To a woman, that is incredible. To go to your parents and tell them you were raped instead of telling them you are pregnant is ridiculous."
I'll give her a bit of a pass, given that he made his asinine assertion in 1985 (the "Dark Ages" of rape allegations, when women were being encouraged to report any sexual activity they were uncomfortable with - during, or after - as rape; and the idea that some women would take advantage of the unquestioned belief in all reports so as to gain some personal advantage).
But, today, in hind-sight, it's easy to see how just how wrong she was. I wonder if she'd still make the same remark today?
One reason that I suspect we see so many instance of an FRA being used as a attempt to cover for forbidden sexual activity is that they are perhaps the easiest of all case to "crack". After all, there is typically a third party with, shall we say, intimate knowledge of what really happened.
It's somewhat surprising that many women haven't figured out that if they name their lovers as their rapists, those lovers don't just willingly take "the fall" for them, sacrificing themselves to protect the woman's (dis)honor. Yet, we see it time and time again.
What's even more appalling (to me) is the way in which other women (typically gender-feminists) stand up as apologists for women who are making FRA's as personal CYA's - typically for their forbidden sexual activity.
When it is known that this was the motivation for the FRA, one might assume that, logically, the feminists would "move on", and not waste credibility sticking up for a woman who's so obviously lying.
But, it seems logic is not an operating principle for the hate-mongering gender-feminists.
In a recent story, a woman in Florida and her lover concocted an abduction scam to try to get money from her husband. When found out and caught, she turned on her lover, naming him as her rapist.
Now, it seems no one believes her ridiculous story (except her easily duped husband). Even the feminists comments on the story don’t seem to believe her.
Still, rather than denounce her actions, they take another tact – a sadly predictable tact. They claim that her actions are (obviously) those of a woman who’s suffered years of abuse at the hands of her husband. That’s why she took a lover and planned to “steal” the families savings – to get back and her husband (and children?) for imagined abuse. [Right!!!]
You see, even when women tell the most damaging of lies, they are always justified in the eyes a good gender-feminists everywhere [the thankfully long-gone jeana as an example that most will readily recognize]. When women mess up, and do bad things, there is always some man who can be blamed for her actions. [off-topic, but I’m reminded of the woman who drove the wrong way on a NY highway, crashed her minivan, and killed several others along with herself. When it was determined that she was drunk at eh time, a number of outspoken feminists types were actually calling for her husband to be arrested and charged for allowing her to drive in that state – never mind that the empty liquor bottle was found in the vehicle, indicating that she likely got drunk after taking the wheel. A woman screwed-up, so feminists instinctively look for a man to blame.)
Two decades plus since assistant professor Toni Massaro’s ill-reasoned comment have taught us much. Notably, when confront with their own mistakes and misbehaviors, women will easily fall into blaming any convenient man. That they would even go so far as to claim rape should no longer come as any surprise what-so-ever.
Well, let's make no mistake, rape can be an awful crime. To be used as a sex toy by another human being, to be physically forced to endure his thrusting despite pleading with him to stop, can be among the most humiliating, degrading acts known to humanity. It is possible that more men are victimized by rape than women because of prison rape, and it is doubly degrading for men given our culture's insistence that men be able to protect themselves and others.
With that said, there is a hell of a difference between that sort of rape and the rape that is foremost on the minds of our shrill feminist sisters. One of their principal goals over the past 35 years has been to transmogrify miscomununication and misunderstanding into "rape," under the guise that the woman did not give her enthusiastic, verbal consent, and to hell with whatever the guy might have reasonably understood. A young man is not permitted to assume anything, and he acts at his peril if he misunderstands the sort of signals young woman have been sending young men since the beginning of time. She decides after-the-fact if it's rape, based on the level of her regret, and his reasonable beliefs about her signals are dismissed.
This sort of alleged "rape" is the "gotcha" kind -- the kind that allows women to return to their dorms and talk over with their girlfriends whether she should destroy a young man's life because she claims he misunderstood her signals. And when she reports him, she will have the entire university community behind her to metaphorically castrate the young "offender," while he'll be lucky if he's allowed to have a lawyer in the campus hearing.
And let's not forget the boy who was convicted after he started having cossensual sex with the girl but failed to withdraw for five whole seconds after she told him to stop. Yeah, that's really rape.
slwerner, I agree that times were different in 1985. They were different because no one was calling the feminists on their comments -- men pretty much gave them a free pass to assert womens' moral superiority. But we still see comments equally absurd emanating from college campuses and the sexual grievance industry. When this particular prof. would still say this, I don't know. But we are still living in the dark ages when it comes false rape claims.
Zammo - ”Consider this quote: "power isn’t really power if it can be revoked by sheer physical intimidation. The threat of violence is always there to reenact and reset the fundamental power imbalance between women and men"”
I have a slightly different take on this. As I’ve suggested before, the FRA is a powerful tool for women to gain power over men – and most women know this quite well. If a woman cannot use her feminine wiles to coerce a man, she can use the threat of a false accusation to achieve the same ends.
Consider Andrea McNulty (the woman attempting to extort money from Ben Rothlisberger). An aging casino escort (aka whore), who can no longer attract the high rollers the way she once could, she seeks to take advantage of our societal gut-level reaction to male-on-female rape to pry money from her former lover. And she’s hardly alone. Another woman tried a similar stunt with coach Rick Patino – “pay up, or I’ll cry rape!”
Who knows how many men have been back down and into corners by a woman making the threat of making an FRA if she didn’t get what she wanted (I read a number of accounts of men in vulnerable positions, like teachers, who’ve come under such threat from a woman seeking personal ends, such as a better grade).
Because the FRA severs as such a powerful coercive threat, I personally believe that a number of feminists are inclined to protect a woman’s ability to make an FRA. Punishing women for making FRA’s and the increasing tendency of police to doubt (some) FRA’s threaten the power of the FRA. And, if a certain number of FRA’s are not attempted, the value of the threat becomes lessened. If woman are dissuaded from following through on threatened FRA’s due to their own fear of punishment, then men are less intimidated by them.
It is, of course, my own personal belief, but I do believe I have a sound reason to believe that some feminists see the FRA as a vital tool for women to gain further power over men, and that is why they are so determined to silence opposition to FRA’s (like this site). [Yes, I’m fully aware that I begin to sound like a nut-job in a tin-foil hat. But, do consider what I’m proffering; and judge it by what you can observe for yourself]
I believe that rape feminists don't care if women make false rape claims, as long as no one calls them on it. All they care about is that every claim of rape be automatically believed.
Now THAT'S power.
In case anyone missed it, Zed has a piece up over at the SpearHead blog entitled, "Doing Something About False Rape Claims", which links back to this thread.
Oops, post that to the wrong thread.
Archvist said...
"we are still living in the dark ages when it comes false rape claims".
Nov 9, 2009 11:04:00 AM
We are also,still in the dark ages when it comes to men's rights. I, no offense, really wish you would just (pardon my "french")go off on an ass ripping ,no holds barred "rant" concerning the way(s) a man's/boy's rights are put on the back burner while the "powers that be" pay extremely special attention to the female accusr's word(s) and say to hell with his rights ( as well as to hell hell,or worse, with him).
Anon at 3:17. I hear you, and I will do so.
Come to think of it, I think, seeing as we are all adults her, we need to really say how we really feel about not only innocent men's lives being destroyed by false rape,false sexual assault, false assault-in-general and, all other false accusations of violent(and other) crimes against anyone.
Let us ring "hell's bells."
Archivist said...
I believe that rape feminists don't care if women make false rape claims, as long as no one calls them on it. All they care about is that every claim of rape be automatically believed.
Now THAT'S power.
Nov 9, 2009 11:31:00 AM
Now you should understand what I just posted. I'm not a member of the " he-man female hater's club." I am an activist for equality, fair balance and ,equal rights. Before the system can judge anyone, they must first make sure the scales are even and balanced and proceed unbiased.
The scales have been out of balance for too long, they NEED proper calibration.
Why should someone listen to scientific evidence? "I knows darn well it's not true...so there!"
should say, "I know..."
While watching the "I was kidnapped/blow his head off" bi-polar victim, I couldn't help but wonder if Oprah would publicly shame the poor 'stand by you woman' husband to dump her, as she did to Rhianna.
Or the "Run Away Bride" fiance.
When Andrea Yeager murdered her kids they tried every which way to pin something on the husband.
She had Post Partum depression and couldn't be blamed. He MADE her have all those kids and had a lousy job.
They did the same thing in the Casey Anthony and Haley Anthony caese. They strenuosly saught a way to blame the actions of these women on the kid's dads. IMHO, if you think about it, it should be considered an insult to say women can never be responsible. Feminists and the media make women out to be irresponsible little children who cannot control themselves.
Feminists, the media, law enforce ment, politicians and all others who subscribe to the " program " have GREATLY insulted both men and women.
slwerner said...
It is, of course, my own personal belief, but I do believe I have a sound reason to believe that some feminists see the FRA as a vital tool for women to gain further power over men, and that is why they are so determined to silence opposition to FRA’s (like this site).
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I agree, this is true for 'some'.
Though I want to smash the face in of my son's false accuser, I DO have another perspective on why many GOOD women keep silent on this topic.
It's kind of like Welfare.
Originally Welfare was set up to help victims of circumstance get over a bad patch.
Then it got abused. Too many people began using it for their own selfish purpose.
Pretty soon, the fraudulence was exposed, anger and public protest ensued.
Welfare recipients are now universally considered lazy-no-good-bums taking good citizen's hard earned tax dollars -without exception. ALL people on welfare are leeches.
And many, many are.
The truly needy share this perception and are deeply shamed by association. Some would rather sleep in the streets and starve than accept the help until circumstance changes. We all applaud them.
Some have left children in cars all day while they work at underpaying jobs. They get their children removed and adopted out - after all, they didn't HAVE to do that! They could have gone on welfare....!
Why isn't welfare shut down because of all the fraud? Because those on the inside know there are truly needy, in spite of the fraud.
I don't doubt there are evil doers using FRAs as a power ploy, just as there are government workers who encourage welfare fraud for whatever purpose.
I also think some may down play FRAs or be 'in denial' out of concern for real victims ending up wrongly maligned, just as truly needy welfare recipients are.
Surely a true rape victim would not condone FRAs - just as a truly needy welfare recipient does not condone welfare fraud. It hurts everyone.
When innocent and guilty are thrown into the same sinking boat together,however, you sink or swim...
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