I get some very, very, very angry emails from young women, chastising me for attacking feminism. The fact is, I do not attack feminism. I quote it. A long time ago I came to the happy conclusion that feminists' own words demonstrate the vacuity, the vapidness, and most of all, the misandry that their movement has come to embrace. If you need an example of how misandry has eaten away at the very core of whatever feminism might be in theory, look no further than this awful, awful blog post by a woman who pretends to write a column about how men should approach women in public: Guest Blogger Starling: Schrödinger’s Rapist: or a guy’s guide to approaching strange women without being maced -- found at http://kateharding.net/. In reality, it is nothing more than a showcase for her hatred of an entire gender. And please read the inane comments by the young and naive female devotees of this sort of hatred.
Let us not linger on it because we do not dignify young and naive feminist hate speech at this blog. We deal in facts, and this piece is the worst kind of feminist man-hating. Among other things, this feminist makes the following astounding assertion: "To begin with, we [women] would rather not be killed or otherwise violently assaulted. 'But wait! I don’t want that, either!' Well, no. But do you think about it all the time? Is preventing violent assault or murder part of your daily routine, rather than merely something you do when you venture into war zones? Because, for women, it is. When I go on a date, I always leave the man’s full name and contact information written next to my computer monitor. This is so the cops can find my body if I go missing." And: "So when you, a stranger, approach me, I have to ask myself: Will this man rape me?"
She proceeds to furnish statistics about how many women are raped. Yawn. As we've demonstrated time and time again on this blog, her statistics are utter nonsense, supported by flawed polls and feminist wet dreams. To assert that the standard feminist stats for the prevalence of rape are a moving target is an understatement. For example, their stats for the prevalence of rape are wildly -- I mean fantastically -- inconsistent with their own stats for alleged underreporting of rape. Hey, but why let facts stand in the way of a good feminist victim fetish? In any event, I'm not going to get into all that again in this post. The feminists are not interested in facts; they are interested in positing a politicized ideology, and facts only get in their way.
Let's get down to it. Here is the problem with this feminist's post: instead of talking about criminals versus innocent people, she justifies her misandry by rationalizing why it is acceptable to treat all men as rapists. It's perfectly acceptable in her world to equate "men" with criminals, and "women" with the innocents. Now, to understand how morally grotesque that is, just substitute "blacks," or "Hispanics," or "Jews" for men and watch the justifiable outcry. But, you see, in the feminist world, it is perfectly acceptable to unfairly stereotype -- prejudge -- all men and boys based on the misconduct of some males. In any other context, such bigotry is not tolerated. In matters of gender, it is embraced.
The milieu of rape hysteria in which we find ourselves stranded not only is terribly gender divisive because it encourages women to mistrust men, but it also enables false rape accusers to spread their lies with automatic credibility. This post is a manifestation of a culture where rape hysteria not only grows but flourishes. When women tell each other how rampant rape is and how evil the male gender is, garden variety sexual conduct is wrongly transmogrified into imagined rape, and innocent men and boys are victimized.
The fact that innocent men are more vulnerable to the criminals than innocent women is completely lost on this feminist -- but what can one expect, given the gynocentric lens through which women of her ilk view the world? Don't believe me that innocent men are more vulnerable? Check out J. Friedman, J. Valenti, Yes Means Yes: Visions of Female Sexual Power and A World Without Rape (2008) at 23: "Men are 150 percent more likely to be the victims of violent crimes than women are. . . . . Men are more likely to be victimized by a stranger (63 percent of violent victimizations) . . . ."
It is all such utter bullshit, a lengthy refutation is not worth our time. Her argument refutes itself by its stupidity, its hatred, its misandry.
And for you young women tempted to write to me: go spend several days reading this blog before you dare try. I'm going to print one in the next couple of days that I found especially entertaining for its sheer stupidity.
And I dare you to try to tell me how much good feminism has done. I dare you.
Tuesday, October 13, 2009
'When I go on a date, I leave the man's contact info so the cops can find my body if I go missing'
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The gender feminist propaganda machine would get a wrench in their sprockets, If the law enforcement community were told that "The use of state and federal dollars to manufacture and distribution of faulty and inflamatory misinformation, is unconstitutional. It does not matter how deep the sickness goes, it needs to be corrected.
'When I go on a date, I leave the man's contact info so the cops can find my body if I go missing'
Sounds like a lovely person to try to build a relationship with.
Now, to dig back a few days and resurrect this quote -
"Feminism has poisoned women's minds against men, and rendered most of the previous reasons and motivations for becoming involved with them impossible in todays climate of gender war."
In light of today's post, does that still seem to lack "nuance"?
How in the world can anyone imagine that it is possible to build any sort of intimate relationship with someone who distrusts and fears you so much that they leave their name with the police when they go on a date with you?
And, for that matter, what in the world is going on in that woman's mind that she would actually go on a date with someone when she considers that a real possibility?
And what's worse is that all of these hateful women want is to play the role of the "pathetic victim," and "revel in being victims of male privilege," rather than answer questions about this topic.
Strangely enough, the guest blogger was the only one on the site who wanted any realistic dialog about her topic, but she was shouted down by the other commenters, the blog mods and the site owner, Kate Harding.
As for the men who posted there (including myself), unless you were there to admit that they participated or were enabling "rape culture," you were attacked, ridiculed, and eventually banned from further posting. And most of the men who were attacked were simply asking questions as to try to understand the viewpoint of the blog poster.
How dare these women claim to want equality. They don't want change. They just want to be angry and vilify men for the sake of their imagined outrage.
As long as these people claim to be the champions of equity, there will never be any true resolution of the battle of the sexes.
Right, Demosthenes XXI. It's a victim fetish, and I urge men not to play along with it. It's like negotiating with a madman, you can't have any real give-and-take.
"'When I go on a date, I leave the man's contact info so the cops can find my body if I go missing' "
And this worhtless piece of shit will be wasting bandwidth in a few years with piece whuing "where are all the good men?"
These are hopelessly spoiled litle girls not worth the price of a bullet.
"And what's worse is that all of these hateful women want is to play the role of the "pathetic victim," and "revel in being victims of male privilege," rather than answer questions about this topic."
It's a measure of how spoiled they are that they even think anyone would fall for this schtick. They do think that becauase all their lives people have been falling for this kind of drivel from them. They really do think they can think.
That site is a prime example of hate speech. Let's see if the post gets dropped when it gets quoted this way, or if they are too stupid and isolated to know enough to do that.
I love the comparisons with other minorities (yes, men are a minority). The fact that men entertained discussion with her is astounding. She's a bigot, gentlemen!
this womans tactic is to shame men into thinking that if they dont do exactly what women want, then they are potential rapists.
its shaming language for the purpose of control.
SteveUK said...
this womans tactic is to shame men into thinking that if they dont do exactly what women want, then they are potential rapists.
its shaming language for the purpose of control.
Oct 13, 2009 2:28:00 PM
Dude, how do you think all the "it's for the chiiiildrun" anti everything legislation got through???
Internet censorhip? Only a sick paedo would object. Do you object? Answer Yes or NO.
AfOR
Do you object? Answer Yes or NO.
YES I object! (but only on the internet, if you ask me in public then I'd agree with whatever you want!)
talking of sick paedophiles's, there was a recent BBC programme which investigates the sexual abuse of children by females. it comes after a high profile case of pedophile Vanessa George, a nursery worker, caught with mobile phone photographs of her abusing children in her care.
'female sexual abuse of children, breaking the silence.mp3
http://rapidshare.com/files/292577518/bbc.female.sexual.abuse.of.children.breaking.the.silence.mp3.html
http://rapidshare.com/files/292577518/bbc.female.sexual.abuse.
of.children.breaking.the.
silence.mp3.html
I am rapidly coming to the conclusion that infiltration of Islam into the West is not such a bad deal for the men of the West, relative to the deal they have now.
When Im out and I meet muslim men I tell them that the problem is not really between white men and muslims, the real problem is women, and that they should never lose religion on their side of Britain, or they can expect the same that has happened to the white man.
religion for all its faults is *vital* in society. it gives women and their children a set of rules to live by. it also comforts them in times of need.
I firmly believe we must reintroduce christianity back into the lives of our women, as a preventative. but we must also work on prosecuting them for their crimes via the law.
If I have anything postive to say about feminism is this.
I give feminism credit for giving women a way to collectively voice their opinions, ideas, and concerns at a time when their point of views weren't being considered or even valued.
Feminism showed women that it was alright for them to strive for the things that socially, they weren't supposed to for the most part. Not only that, but feminism tackled the negative ideas, beliefs, and myths about women that were prevalent for so long.
I guess what I'm trying to say is that I'm not entirely sure that I want to write off feminism as the Great Evil. Feministing.com seem to have very well-rounded and compassionate feminists for the most part. They're concerned about issues that face women all over the world and have been active on behalf of those issues. They also talk about some things that concern men. Now I don't expect you to agree with them entirely, but they do make go points about particular topics.
With that being said, I have no problem admitting that it's not perfect. There are flaws as Pierce points out. I'm just pointing out some positives.
Honestly though, sometimes I wonder whether feminism is used as a scapegoat at times.
If I have anything postive to say about feminism is this.
AfOR
AFOR,
That was hilarious. Thank you.
Renee said...
I give feminism credit for giving women a way to collectively voice their opinions, ideas.
what opinions? what ideas?
all I see is a bunch of selfish, destructive, and inconsiderate and assholes destroying civility in my society.
with the freedom you have been given, you have attacked men. even after all that has been done for you.
but you will soon learn.
but mark my words, those special priviledges will be removed once men understand just what feminism (with the complicity of women) has been doing all these years, and you will be treated the way you deserve to be treated.
and Im glad to say that I will be a part of that process that brings you and your sisters down.
good day.
Renee,
The only problem with your liking of the F crew....
If you are a man and you disagree with them, they ban you quicker than than Obama was nominated for the Nobel Prize.
Honestly though, sometimes I wonder whether feminism is used as a scapegoat at times.
You mean like the dreaded "Patriarchy"?
Off-topic but I was reading the comments here when I received a call from someone soliciting for breast cancer.
At times I can be aggressive in writing but it's nothing like in real life. I told her I think that her organization does great work, but that I was positively disgusted by the absense of any concern for cancers that affect men, including prostate and lung cancer. She proceeded to tell me that men also get breast cancer. I said that if the only incidents of breast cancer were those experienced by men, nobody would ever have heard of the disease. She disagreed, and I told her, "Oh, yeah. You know it. You know it." I attributed it to misandry.
Mind you, that's not really my issue, but I had to hold the banner high for men. I am waiting for the local rape center to call me, and I shall report back. Sorry to have interrupted this thread.
I read feministing a lot. It has its biases, but those are mostly in what it chooses to highlight. Fair enough. And it does have "what about the wimmins?" orietnation. And that's fair enough
But when it steps in the dogshit, it really does it and this was one example. It should have linked to this post, OK, but then it should have denounced it as flat-out bigotry. A missed opportunity.
Feminism.
It's all about....equality isn't it?
It's kinda like religion. It's all about....God isn't it? Uh-huh.
What's bigger, the Catholic church or feminism? You decide.
"I get some very, very, very angry emails from young women, chastising me for attacking feminism."
I'd like to see some of those emails. You should post them.
"Rape culture", and "patriarchy" are the most important elements of feminist dogma. Those two concepts are the firmest and most rigid of that dogma. Question it and the screaming, wailing, and gnashing of teeth is extreme. Question feminist dogma and be banned from websites. Question feminist dogma and be labeled a "rape enabler". Question feminist dogma and be marginalized from the discussion.
This goes especially for rape culture. Don't even whisper a doubt regarding the mendacious, manufactured statistics trotted out by feminists as "proof" of rape culture. When the reasonable and unbiased rape statistics are mentioned, feminists respond with a faith-based statistic - the percentage of unreported rapes. Faith-based statistic - please enjoy that delicious oxymoron.
I think feminists have built rape culture up into such dogma because deep down, they realize that their sexuality is the most important element of womanhood. If that sexuality is taken by force (or by simple verbal coercion - though for the life of me, I can't quite figure out how such strong and independent woman can be TALKED into sex against their will) then they lose their sexual control over men. The very notion of sexual consent has been hotly debated. I also strongly suspect that every time a woman says "yes" to sex with a man, there is a hoard of disappointed feminists cluck-clucking in dismay because she has too willing relinquished the power of the mighty vajayjay.
"Don't treat us as sex objects" is the tired refrain from feminists. But in a very ironic way, they admit they are only good as sex objects by the entire and utterly fallacious concept of rape culture.
Archivist said...
Sorry to have interrupted this thread.
I do that all the time ;) infact I think it was me that first interruped this thread lol
Archivist said...
At times I can be aggressive in writing but it's nothing like in real life.
I will at best, be passive aggressive with women during everyday transactions, its just gotten to that point now.
and if a woman really annoys me, then I will tell her exactly what I think.
this happened a few weeks ago, when I was out walking. there was a women with one of those scruffy, ratty little dogs, and it was yapping and trying to bite my heel. so I looked down at it, but carried on walking. it continued to try to bite my shoe, so I turned around and stamped on the ground right infront of it (note: not on its head.) I looked at the woman and she looked shocked and annoyed at me, so I said to her "If you cant control your animal, put it on a lead." (rather forcefully lol), to which she replied "PISS OFF!"
lol.
I really enjoyed it. so much fun to rebuke a misbehaving woman in public.
That was such a sad pathetic read. It's a shame that comments were basically disabled. The blog post and especially the comments were perfect examples of how selfish and limited the female mind is to take in to account anything other than what it wants to believe. The most hilarious thing was most of it was devoted to whining about "male privilege" and how insensitive guys are to not listen to their feelings and wants but every male who even asked a question was insulted, ridiculed or banned.
The expectation that females are on such a pedestal and to have the nerve to actually try and socialize with a female is almost a crime is a sad commentary on their ability to function in a world well, with actual people.
My favorite part is this insistence that they are completely wronged as a gender for being subjected to the opposite sex trying to speak to them. If we were to tally up numbers of this crime the most common victims would be poor men who are endlessly harassed by women who simply won't shut the hell up when they are busy doing something else. The worst part of that crime is that the majority of the time the men are victims of someone they thought they knew or trusted.
Of course if a man were to say he doesn't want to be bothered by a woman who wants to speak to him, he's just an insensitive a-hole.
SteveUK
what opinions? what ideas?
Oh I don't know...opinions and ideas in regard to politics, society, the world around them. It showed that viewpoints, ideas, opinions from women aren't worthless simply because they were from women.
all I see is a bunch of selfish, destructive, and inconsiderate and assholes destroying civility in my society.
Well if that's all you see, then that's you.
with the freedom you have been given, you have attacked men. even after all that has been done for you.
Well I personally haven't attacked men so your point is moot. As for feminists, I'm sure some have attacked men, but not ALL of them. I think that in some cases it's defensiveness and insecurities.
If you are a man and you disagree with them, they ban you quicker than than Obama was nominated for the Nobel Prize.
Not true. Only the trolls who post misogynistic crap and who victim-blame (there is a difference between victim-blaming and stating percautions/asking questions).
What I like about Feministing is that they point out things in our society, the media, etc. that need to be addressed and called out. Of course it mainly centers around women but hey, there are plenty of websites that focus mainly on male issues, issues blacks face, etc.
I think Jim pretty much sums it up nicely.
Feministing, with its gynocentric worldview and smug "certainty" about matters that are really a leap of faith, is indifferent to male problems and to men and boys, and, thus, strikes a more deadly blow to the mortal soul than a feminine hate site. I do not waste my time reading bullshit, and that is all Feministing is. I learned that firsthand when they attacked this site.
Wow, that site gets about 100, 000 fools every month! Thats a lot of fat angry feminists!
What I like about Feministing is that they point out things in our society, the media, etc. that need to be addressed and called out.
Yeah, like false rape accusations, sentencing disparities, you know, things that affect women.
Wait..... they benefit from those things, don't they. At this point, have you bothered to read anything that was posted on the Hofstra case? Guess what? They still haven't come out and said that the young woman was a complete slut, who cheated on her boyfriend (willingly), then falsely accused several young men of rape.
Nope, all they can discuss, is if the young men should be charged with filming it without her knowledge. Tell me that isn't misandrous and sexist. And do any women call them out on it? NO. Funny, I tried to, but my post never made it.
Wonder why that is? And then tell me about how it is, that you, and Atom, and Jeana can come here and post, and not get censored. Who is more about equality? Hint...it isn't them.
"Oh I don't know...opinions and ideas in regard to politics, society, the world around them."
Notice how she doesn't state any actual ideas or theories that women possess. That is because most of the women who voice opinions about politics,society, and the world around them, don't have opinions about those things per se, but about how it is all men the fault of men that those things aren't perfect utopias or ideal versions of themselves.
Give women a platform to voice their opinions and you get an awful lot of cronyism and sexism directed against men coming from their quarter.
Could that be why men of the past didn't want to listen to women's opinions?
NO! Perish the thought!
"It showed that viewpoints, ideas, opinions from women aren't worthless simply because they were from women."
And what a great world we live in today, that we can listen to women's opinions about which celebrities should be fucking,marrying,or divorcing almost non-stop,which is basically all that any female aged 10-45 opines on these days.
"Only the trolls who post misogynistic crap..."
For example, that women are not better than men in every way possible. That's misogynistic,people. It's also sexual harassment.....and rape.
Archivist,
Renee is spoiled by our acceptance of her. Also, she feels she is entitled to post here, as if MRA's have the solemn duty to listen to women. Basically, women like Renee want MRA's to play by women's rules...you know, just like the early feminists played by men's rules..er...didn't they?
Once women won the battle, they figured it was their right, and theirs only, to define the platform and limits of any further discourse.
Thank you for your input, Sgt. Jim.
Actually the topic poster and most of you guys are giving this a lot more status than it deserves. I think most women deep down are really not scared of men...that is why they feel free to ask for help with a tire change or other emergency.
It is merely the case that it is fun for them to alienate men...to be smug in their knowledge that men are 'gross' and they really need them like a fish needs a bicycle - or at least, they pretend that's true. Their fascism will come back to haunt them in unexpected ways - ways that none of us can foresee at the moment. Rest assured.
@ Archivist
Nope, all they can discuss, is if the young men should be charged with filming it without her knowledge.
WHAT?!? That is so beyond messed up... No words could precisely describe why that is so wrong.
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@ Renee + All the people bashing Renee
I'm not sure, perhaps I'm just too kind a soul and like to try and read into things positively.
I think Renee was referring to earlier days of Feminism and their attempts to give women things such as the right to vote and so on.
Though i do admit she went right off when saying anything of praise for feministing. Frankly i think any decent feminist site would never have published such trash as it only aids to destroy their credibility (of which they already have very little...).
Then again finding a decent feminist site is a bloody hard task. I would be open for any linkage however.
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@ Topic at hand
Honestly i think we are all giving this girl and her vicious and messed up friends a bit too much credit.
As with all blogs i read the comments before posting and i could have sworn at least half the women posting to approve of her either had been raped/abused/molested at some point in their life (They made mention of it, I'm not running off speculation or guesses here... not my style.).
I avoided commenting because i knew that these women were hurt and angry at something that had been done (or they think has been done) against them. There is no reasoning with them!
In truth they are scared, hurt little girls who should have gotten psychological help a long time ago.
The only benefit to bringing forward this article to the light is to show how mad and insane some people (who have influence as well) in the feminist movement can be and to serve as a public service announcement to avoid these types!
We shouldn't be sinking to their level with declarations of war, but rather showing them that we refuse to become the monsters they want us to be.
hey guys,
Atom revealed herself as 'georgia girl' (from Glenn Sacks' blog) in the 'over-reporting' thread. Another troll un-masked!!
"The fact that innocent men are more vulnerable to the criminals than innocent women "
Including women who are criminals.
Norm said...
hey guys,
Atom revealed herself as 'georgia girl' (from Glenn Sacks' blog) in the 'over-reporting' thread. Another troll un-masked!!
good work Norm!
When will these women get it through their thick heads. if you post feminine ideas you will be suspected of being female. signing your name 'david' or 'john' doesnt make any difference, its still female nonsense, and real men will still disagree with it.
IMHO Feministing has gotten alot worst over the last five years.
They've have essentially co-opted from arguments from the ant-oppressionist variant and become much more extreme than they were 2004.
Porky,
Thats a lot of fat angry feminists!
What makes you think that they're all fat and "angry" all the time. Oh yeah, it's the old good ole stereotype. If you're going to insult someone, try something original. And going by your name, you're the last to throw out fat as an insult.
Chris,
The expectation that females are on such a pedestal and to have the nerve to actually try and socialize with a female is almost a crime is a sad commentary on their ability to function in a world well, with actual people.
Honestly, I think you're over exaggerating. If "socialize" to you means men you don't know calling out obsecene cat calls and making obscene gestures at women, calling women who ignore/reject those advances "bitches", randomly grabbing your arm and pulling you aside while you're walking on the sidewalk in an attempt to talk and flirt with you (yes this happened to me), etc....then yeah I can see why women would have a problem with that. And of course not all men are like this.
My favorite part is this insistence that they are completely wronged as a gender for being subjected to the opposite sex trying to speak to them.
See the above comment. It depends on what "trying to speak to them" consists of. Not all men are decent.
I wouldn't called it "being wronged as a gender", but it is something that women face believe it or not. Both men and women have experiences that the other in general do not. Why is that so hard to believe?
And I admit that some parts of kate's post was a little extreme, especially this tidbit:
"While you may assume that none of the men you know are rapists, I can assure you that at least one is. Consider: if every rapist commits an average of ten rapes (a horrifying number, isn’t it?) then the concentration of rapists in the population is still a little over one in sixty."
Really???
Norm said...
hey guys,
Atom revealed herself as 'georgia girl' (from Glenn Sacks' blog) in the 'over-reporting' thread. Another troll un-masked!!
Atom was not 'un-masked'. She freely volunteered that information in answer to my politely asked "why do you hate men?" question.
My personal policy is never make someone who gives me an honest answer sorry they did.
The Archivist at Oct 13, 2009 10:49:00 PM,
Did you not see this part?
With that being said, I have no problem admitting that it's not perfect. There are flaws as Pierce points out. I'm just pointing out some positives.
Did I say they were perfect, NO. I mean, I could say the same thing about here but it has many positives. On both blogs, some posts/comments I agree with, some I don't. In fact you made good points in your post with the timestamped that I post above.
At this point, have you bothered to read anything that was posted on the Hofstra case? Guess what? They still haven't come out and said that the young woman was a complete slut, who cheated on her boyfriend (willingly), then falsely accused several young men of rape.
Over at that site, I think I read two. First of all, I'm pretty sure that they refrain from using the word "slut" as an insult for both men and women, especially with the cultural baggage behind it. Secondly, no most of them did not mention how she falsely accused them of rape. Was it mentioned yes, along with MANY other things. And yes, I saw some that made me think.
Nope, all they can discuss, is if the young men should be charged with filming it without her knowledge. Tell me that isn't misandrous and sexist.
From what I saw, that was the very last comment out of the whole entire post, so no one discussed that comment. And when you tried to post, did you do it AFTER the post was closed?
If you don't believe me, here's a link. Look at the very bottom.
Anon Oct 13, 2009 11:05:00 PM,
Part 1
Notice how she doesn't state any actual ideas or theories that women possess.
Why would I need to? What, can a woman not have valuable input, opinions, and ideas? Has it never occured in human history? It needs to be validated with examples? If I replace the word "woman" with "man", would you demand for me to post specific examples, or would it be assumed that a man will have valuable input, ideas, etc.?
That is because most of the women who voice opinions about politics,society, and the world around them, don't have opinions about those things per se, but about how it is all men the fault of men that those things aren't perfect utopias or ideal versions of themselves.
And we come to the core of your beliefs! That women don't have opinions and that it always comes back to the men. If I didn't know better, I would think that this comment is *gasp* misogynistic, that women don't have valuable input that have nothing to do with men.
Give women a platform to voice their opinions and you get an awful lot of cronyism and sexism directed against men coming from their quarter.
Further proving my point.
Could that be why men of the past didn't want to listen to women's opinions?
Hahahaha.....no. Perish the thought indeed lol.
Anon Oct 13, 2009 11:05:00 PM,
Part 2
And what a great world we live in today, that we can listen to women's opinions about which celebrities should be fucking,marrying,or divorcing almost non-stop,which is basically all that any female aged 10-45 opines on these days.
What a great world we live in where there are guys who share your poor mindset. Do you really think that ALL women ONLY think about this stuff? And so what that women follow stuff like that. How is that any different from me pointing out men's opinions on sports, videogames, and hot actresses/Playboy bunnies/any female sex object. But I won't, because some women love videogames and sports (videogames in my case), and some men do have opinions about the going ons of celebrities. But both sexes have opinions on much more important things as well. Why that needs saying, who knows.
Anyway, aren't men still in the majority when it comes to high up positions in the media? Aren't they the main ones who says what is presented through our tvs, movies, tabloids, etc.?
"Only the trolls who post misogynistic crap..."
For example, that women are not better than men in every way possible. That's misogynistic,people. It's also sexual harassment.....and rape
TOTAL.ABSOLUTE.FAIL.
Lol, someone needs to brush up on the definition of misogyny, because this isn't it.
Norm,
Renee is spoiled by our acceptance of her.
Oh PLEASE lol! What I post has nothing to do with me being "spoiled".
Also, she feels she is entitled to post here, as if MRA's have the solemn duty to listen to women.
If this isn't absolute bullsh*t. I post here because I want to. If I see a comment/post that I disagree with or feel strongly about, I'm going to post something. Simple as that. It has nothing to do with entitlement or any "solemn duty".
Basically, women like Renee want MRA's to play by women's rules...you know, just like the early feminists played by men's rules..er...didn't they?
HA! If this isn't further from the truth. You know nothing about me or what I'm like.
Seriously, I have never seen so much defensiveness or overreaction....
Honestly, I think you're over exaggerating. If "socialize" to you means men you don't know calling out obsecene cat calls and making obscene gestures at women, calling women who ignore/reject those advances "bitches", randomly grabbing your arm and pulling you aside while you're walking on the sidewalk in an attempt to talk and flirt with you (yes this happened to me), etc....then yeah I can see why women would have a problem with that. And of course not all men are like this.
Cat calls and obscene gestures were not what was being discussed. Neither was calling women bitches. You're being dishonest and trying to change what was the main subject. They were speaking of men having the audacity to speak with women and continuing to either after women gave nonverbal signals or stated they weren't interested. I guess it is difficult when you know that every man is a rapist. One I remember was a guy who was persistent and had the nerve to ask a woman if she wanted a glass of whine. Omg!!
As for complaining about men's advances, well, too bad. This is the social dynamic that women created. Women decided they for the most part will not initiate or ask men out, bc it's too hard and uncomfortable. Let that be men's responsibility. So that's what men do. When men don't make advances it leads to whining and low self esteem. When men women aren't interested in try to pick them up it leads to whining and saying how bad it is that men try to talk to women. When women continually go for the guy who says the dumbest and most obnoxious things, others follow the example.
Another problem is the dishonesty and rejection of reality. "No means no" sounds fantastic in the classroom or on feminist blogs but does not exist in the real world. In the real world just about every man has experienced the anger from a woman who was infuriated when a man stopped his advances when he felt the woman was uninterested. He was supposed to try harder if he cared or some similar idiocy is a common explanation. This inability to be upfront and honest as a whole, instead of relying on signals and hints that are supposed to be magically deduced correctly all the time leads to problems. Especially when no doesn't always mean no. That's why guys continue to try and pick a woman up.
"HA! If this isn't further from the truth. You know nothing about me or what I'm like. "
All I need to know is what I see you post on this board. And that backs up all my claims.
okay Sgt. Jim, so (in your opinion) she unmasked herself. So what? The point is that her game is up.
Atom is ugly.
No Renee, I tried posting long before that thread was closed. Fact is, they censor just about every comment that doesn't fit in with thier narrative. And that's fine. But when they talk of equality, then don't back it up with action, it's all a lie. And they know it.
On topic. Chris pretty much nailed it. If women insist that men do the approaching, then maybe, just maybe, they could be honest with thier responses. Stop the games, and come right out with what you want. Men will have a lot more respect, and all this bullshit will stop.
Or keep playing games, and then wonder why you are 50 with 25 cats. Either way, I don't care anymore.
I'm married.
5:46, Atom is not "ugly" ... she's a voluptuous siren who knows how to please *lol
Seriously, I have more to say on Archivist's topic, but first I have to look up some "names".
But for certain, women MUST exercise caution when dating because some women wind up dead. I'll get to that!
*off topic*
Either way, I don't care anymore.
I'm married.
Oct 14, 2009 6:17:00 PM
WOO! you go boy :P
Why women are fearful:
These are EXTREME examples, but look at how these seemingly "nice guys" commited rape:
Ted Bundy (law student)-- raped many women
Philip Markoff (pre-med student)killed a woman. This is RECENT!
Burdick (popular with plenty of girlfriends)-- raped many women.
Jim Dickinson (a real nerd and totally disarming)-- drugged and raped women.
Alex Kelly (an athlete from a wealthy Conn. suburb).
Andrew Luster (wealthy heir) drugged and raped women.
OKAY, BEAR WITH ME ... All of you need to hear what rape survivors have to say about their "boyfriends" or "dates":
When they realize what happened to them is not OK, they struggle with, ‘Who can I tell?’ Because everyone else knows him, because everyone else thinks he’s a great guy.
To one former Penn State student, this profile is all too familiar:
Several years ago, she reported to police that she was raped on campus by a man she’d recently met.
“I knew that I was going to be blamed for it,” she said, speaking on the condition of anonymity. “My own mother, when I first told her, was like, ‘What did you do? What were you wearing?’ It’s just a perfect example of the way society treats it.”
DID YOU GET THAT? HER OWN MOTHER.
She found the backlash for reporting the assault almost worse than the assault itself.
“Someone said she was sorry that I regretted having sex with him and had to bring this out against him,” she said.
Other people told her, “He is such a loving and wonderful guy, how could I ever accuse someone like that of being essentially a rapist.”
Women do put out the signals if they want to be approached (by the guy she finds attractive).
But these signals are so unbelievably subtle to men as to be practically invisible.
If a woman is smart, independent, and strong, she will understand that men are NOT women and don't speak the weird language of women.
And how many women actually make a point to understand that a man communicates differently? Hmmmmmm, almost NONE?!
The female response is usually "do you expect us to actually approach guys?"
Yes, we do because women have been screaming for two generations that women are "smart, independent, and strong,"
Feministing.com is the portal of Jessica Valenti and her Man hating misandrists. It is a clearing house for Anti Male bigotry. And has openly stated that Men who are for Men's Rights are Rape Enablers. Renee you are wrong.
It took until late Summer for Feministing.com and its moral cowards to recognize the honor killings in Dallas Texas of two Sisters on January 1st. Hypocrites.
They also constantly posted that the Duke Lacrosse Players were Rapists. FYI. The facts can be found on liestoppers blog and Durham in Wonderland. Feministing.com is a bunch of Frauds.
"If I replace the word "woman" with "man", would you demand for me to post specific examples.."
Yes. And you would find hundreds of thousands of pages of ideas,on everything, written by men, going back to cuneiform tablets from ancient Sumeria.
"And we come to the core of your beliefs! That women don't have opinions and that it always comes back to the men."
I didn't say that. I said that a lot of women tend to write things that trash men,things which are not only considered mainstream and acceptable, and hugely popular with women, but have been internalized by some poor men as well.
"Do you really think that ALL women ONLY think about this stuff?"
No, I said it's all most women opine on. If it isn't true,point me to vast majority of women opining on other subjects, such as theoretical physics,politics, economics,and I'll gladly eat my hat.
"And so what that women follow stuff like that. How is that any different from me pointing out men's opinions on sports, videogames, and hot actresses/Playboy bunnies/any female sex object."
It's not. That's the point, no one considers a man's opinion of a centerfold to be "serious business", and women's opinions on celebrities should be considered the same way.
Equality,and all that.
"Aren't they the main ones who says what is presented through our tvs, movies, tabloids, etc.?"
Clearly showing that you have no idea how economics work. Even if that were true, since women make most of the spending decisions, their messages are tailored to the consumer. It doesn't matter who is saying what women want to hear, it could be Mary Queen of Scots, the message is geared toward women,not men.
MEN are not being represented.
"Only the trolls who post misogynistic crap..."
For example, that women are not better than men in every way possible. That's misogynistic,people. It's also sexual harassment.....and rape
TOTAL.ABSOLUTE.FAIL.
Lol, someone needs to brush up on the definition of misogyny, because this isn't it."
"That is because most of the women who voice opinions about politics,society, and the world around them, don't have opinions about those things per se, but about how it is all men the fault of men that those things aren't perfect utopias or ideal versions of themselves."
And this is?
What I said is a provable fact. The coverage of men in the media is overwhelmingly negative. If you broke it down to only the coverage of men by women in the media, you would also find THAT coverage to be overwhelmingly negative.
I would even say that BECAUSE the media caters so much to the female point of view,and works so hard to incorporate female journalists, the coverage of men is overwhelmingly negative.
After reading this I toured Feministing for a bit. I never really perused a feminist site before and.....wow. Really sad. The funniest thing is that the site is proof that many women are just weak minded. I read comments for a story about a woman who passed out and had marker written on her. When this happens(frequently) to guys it's an afterthought. A f- you and then life moves on. To see the comments of how it's violence and rape and only condoned bc of rape culture shows how something which has no real effect on males is a world shattering traumatic experience for a female. Yea they're really stronger and better than men. I'm embarrassed for the females I know who are real people.
In addition, the culture at Feministing of crying about any different point of views and deleting them only shows more weakness. Sad really. The saddest part is it gives real women a bad name.
"Give women a platform to voice their opinions and you get an awful lot of cronyism and sexism directed against men coming from their quarter.
"Further proving my point."
I'll bite. How? What I said was the exact opposite of your "point".
"Hahahaha.....no. Perish the thought indeed lol."
Oh, that's right. Musta been that big bad old patriarchy, the one that sent men off to have their testicles blown off with mortar shells so women could sit at home on their asses,twiddling their thumbs and bitching about imaginary oppression.
I have my Ph.D in Aeronautical Engineering, plus an M.S. in Philosophy ... what do "you" have?
Chris,
Cat calls and obscene gestures were not what was being discussed. Neither was calling women bitches. You're being dishonest and trying to change what was the main subject.
Honestly I wasn't. I was just covering all the bases and explaining why a woman who have a problem with men who try to "socialize" with them. And also there are men who actually think that the examples I gave are part of socializing. But remembering that post, you do have a point in that the examples I gave didn't seem to be what she was referring to or including.
As for complaining about men's advances, well, too bad. This is the social dynamic that women created. Women decided they for the most part will not initiate or ask men out, bc it's too hard and uncomfortable. Let that be men's responsibility.
I honestly don't think it were women as it was society that created that idea. It was a common belief that women weren't supposed to be assertive when it came to dating/courting because men wouldn't have liked that.
But yeah women should be more upfront and not rely on putting out signals so much.
"No means no" sounds fantastic in the classroom or on feminist blogs but does not exist in the real world.
I wouldn't say that's entirely true. I mean if she/her was physically fighting back yelling "no" or crying then I can't see how that's not obvious. But perhaps that's obvious to you.
I have my Ph.D in Aeronautical Engineering, plus an M.S. in Philosophy ... what do "you" have?
I'll play. A BS in Computer Information Systems, I'm Cisco Certified, MCSE, and quite a few others.
Your point?
Anon Oct 14, 2009 10:02:00 PM,
Yes. And you would find hundreds of thousands of pages of ideas,on everything, written by men, going back to cuneiform tablets from ancient Sumeria.
Ok, but the fact that I have to PROVE that women are capable of thinking ideas, valuable input, etc. speak volumes about you. Reminds me of the whole "women having to prove themselves" thing.
How? What I said was the exact opposite of your "point".
I'll copy and paste for you since you seem to completely miss these parts:
"What, can a woman not have valuable input, opinions, and ideas? Has it never occured in human history? It needs to be validated with examples?"
And this:
"And we come to the core of your beliefs! That women don't have opinions and that it always comes back to the men. If I didn't know better, I would think that this comment is *gasp* misogynistic, that women don't have valuable input that have nothing to do with men."
This comment from you:
Give women a platform to voice their opinions and you get an awful lot of cronyism and sexism directed against men coming from their quarter.
....validated my two comments from above.
Clear enough for you?
I didn't say that. I said that a lot of women tend to write things that trash men,things which are not only considered mainstream and acceptable, and hugely popular with women, but have been internalized by some poor men as well.
But you still said this:
That is because most of the women who voice opinions about politics,society, and the world around them, don't have opinions about those things per se...
That all it amounts is that most of women's opinions consist of bashing men and nothing more. That's the problem.
No, I said it's all most women opine on. If it isn't true,point me to vast majority of women opining on other subjects, such as theoretical physics,politics, economics,and I'll gladly eat my hat.
And do you really think that the majority of men opine on theoretical physics, politics, and economics?
Oh, that's right. Musta been that big bad old patriarchy, the one that sent men off to have their testicles blown off with mortar shells so women could sit at home on their asses,twiddling their thumbs and bitching about imaginary oppression.
This has nothing to do with what you said. If the ole patriarchy didn't value women's opinions, input, etc. because they were from women (which was true) then that was a problem. Like we said, perish the thought.
It's not. That's the point, no one considers a man's opinion of a centerfold to be "serious business", and women's opinions on celebrities should be considered the same way.
Who said that opinions on celebrities was "serious business"? Since when was it ever serious to begin with?
My point, Archivist, was in response to the 9:58, alluding that women are incapable of grasping anything other than twiddling their thumbs:
"... point me to vast majority of women opining on other subjects, such as theoretical physics,politics, economics,and I'll gladly eat my hat."
Like if he's looking for a discussion on "theoretical physics", how did he find the FRS room?
Renee,
First off cool response, I was expecting something different after the last one.
As for the stupid crap men do at times and think is socializing I'm afraid most of that is actually women's fault. The reality is women control how men act for the most part. Women have endless power and control although most seem to pretend otherwise. Most men aren't creative or bright(most people aren't). They mirror what they see working. A sad truth is that the stupidity and meanness work. Most men start out with good intentions(some don't) but are shocked seeing how being rude or mean to women equals more success for the most part. Another thing women will deny but it's sadly true.
I honestly don't think it were women as it was society that created that idea. It was a common belief that women weren't supposed to be assertive when it came to dating/courting because men wouldn't have liked that.
But yeah women should be more upfront and not rely on putting out signals so much.
I would say there was a time when society expected that as a whole. I never understood the whole men don't like women asking them out. It's wrong for the most part. However there was then a time when women started shouting from the heavens that they were smarter, better and stronger than men. That they would ask men out and even pay half or all bc they were independent!! I think that lasted maybe a week, then it was "Whoa I really don't like this, let's give this back to the men to be responsible for. This is uncomfortable....and expensive" it is now perfectly acceptable for women to take the initiative. Most won't and will demand men do.
With the "no means no problem" you're last example is the extreme case where of course most guys wouldn't even get to that point. I know it may be shocking with all the bias that leans towards most men rape but the reality is most men find rape just as repulsive as women. There are endless times when a man will show interest and a woman will say no, really with the objective of making a guy work for it. Also during intimacy where a woman will say no and then actually get mad when a guy stops. These kind of mixed signals are dangerous. For both men and women. The fact that this kind of behavior is denied and swept under the rug is even more dangerous. A lot of bad situations can be completely avoided if people were capable of simple honest communication.
Atom
"I have my Ph.D in Aeronautical Engineering, plus an M.S. in Philosophy.
Did you used to write for About.com??
Beste, I never wrote for About.com, nor do I have a Ph.D or an M.S. It was meant facetiously to make a point. Besides, one can't get an M.S. in Philosophy, and I'm very upset that nobody called me on it :(
"And do you really think that the majority of men opine on theoretical physics, politics, and economics?"
Most of the magazines that cater to those subjects are written by men. They are also mainly read by men.
"This has nothing to do with what you said. If the ole patriarchy didn't value women's opinions, input, etc. because they were from women (which was true) then that was a problem."
No argument there. But then again if most of what women said back then was negative diatribes against men, then it is understandable that men would not want to listen to that.
"Who said that opinions on celebrities was "serious business"? Since when was it ever serious to begin with?"
You insinuated that it was. Or at least, that was how I took it.
"My point, Archivist, was in response to the 9:58, alluding that women are incapable of grasping anything other than twiddling their thumbs:"
I didn't say that. Renee said that. Renee made the misogynist statements on my behalf,I didn't. If I were a misogynist I would have told you that grownups are talking and to get back into the kitchen. I don't pussyfoot around on ANY subject.
If I were a misogynist, I would make certain that you knew it.
I was making the point that most women don't spend a lot of time thinking about the subjects I pointed out,or more specifically,writing about them.
If there are degrees offered in "Women's Studies", then it actually isn't hard to believe. I quit caring about degrees long ago. Most are worthless.
One thing I learned, when I first started commenting on blogs:
Print doesn't translate sarcasm or facetiousness well. So I stopped, unless it was so over the top that it was obvious.
Reminds me of the whole "women having to prove themselves" thing.
Renee,
Look at the post below this one. That is what a majority of male bonding is. Proving yourself. And men have to prove themselves to everyone, every day. It's part of determining social hierarchy, and for those who don't prove themselves, typically they don't have families, they are considered outcasts, and are shunned.
Welcome to our world.
"Clear enough for you?"
Not exactly. Your conclusions do not follow from anything I actually said.
The Archivist said...
I have my Ph.D in Aeronautical Engineering, plus an M.S. in Philosophy ... what do "you" have?
I'll play. A BS in Computer Information Systems, I'm Cisco Certified, MCSE, and quite a few others.
Your point?
I have a PhD and a doctorate in smartassology. Lmao. :) I hope this made you laugh.
I have been gone for the past few weeks on military training. I'm trying to catch up on what has happened while I was gone. It is good to see this blog is still active. I posted the comment that I hope made Archivist laugh.
"I have my Ph.D in Aeronautical Engineering, plus an M.S. in Philosophy "
That sounds like bullshit. An engineering ph.D. is a 4-year process beyond the B.S.
Unless you are one of those losers who spent his whole life in college but never got picked up for faculty.
Sgt. Jim, don't you think you've gone a little too far in your post above?
Who is Sgt Jim?
How have you been doing Norm?
I'm doing fine, Sgt. Anonymous.
btw, are you sure Atom is georgia girl? Based on what she said about her academic accomplisments, I'm starting to think that in reality, she is Lisa, who used to post on Sacks' board. Just because she posted the link to the Ga. Tech rape/victim thing doesn't mean she is gg.
Besides, gg sounds too stupid to get a Ph.D.
Not exactly. Your conclusions do not follow from anything I actually said.
Well since I quoted you, that not possible.
I didn't say that. Renee said that. Renee made the misogynist statements on my behalf,I didn't.
But you made those statements that I quoted. You're the one who said that women "don't have opinions about those things per se....". So based on that, are you calling your own comments misogynistic? Because I never said they were. But I can see how other women would think it was.
You insinuated that it was. Or at least, that was how I took it.
Well that's how you took it because I never said or insinuated that it was "serious business". I just said what was the big deal if women were interested in that stuff like men were interested in sports.
Archivist,
Look at the post below this one. That is what a majority of male bonding is. Proving yourself. And men have to prove themselves to everyone, every day. It's part of determining social hierarchy, and for those who don't prove themselves, typically they don't have families, they are considered outcasts, and are shunned.
Well I doubt that one of the reasons you have to prove yourself is simply because you're a guy and just due to that, you're being doubted. And I'm not talking about when physical strength itself comes into play.
Demosthenes XXI, As a woman I too have attempted to dialog about this topic with my 'sisters'.
I got kicked off quicker than you can type "false accusation".
Someday or sometime I WOULD like to engage in a lively dialog about this topic with one of them, but it'll NEVER happen.
I, too, have had a bad experience with a male.
NO matter what my experience was, however, I NEVER! EVER! Not even a little bit! Condoned anything thing that might cause an innocent person's conviction or suffering.
I've been seriously 'wronged' a time or two by a male, but it didn't lead me to hate ALL males.
I've known injustice - but it only makes me revolt against injustice.
How in the world any one, man or woman, can come to this discussion with anything other than a sense of righteous anger is beyond anything my poor public school educated, un-degree'd thumb twiddling mind can wrap itself around.
So how DARE I write about false accusations on angry victim boards?
Because false rape accusations affect true victims of rape.
Because just because you are a true victim of rape does not make you safe from false accusations of rape. You, or someone you love.
As a victim of injustice, knowing innocent people are being accused, convicted, imprisoned or force onto public hit lists should ENRAGE you -ENRAGE!!!!YOU!!!
Denying a false accusation, or the horrific damage of a false accusation means you condone it.
Condoning false accusations means you have either done it or are willing to do it yourself.
There is no other explanation that my faulty female mind can arrive to.
So I challenge any one of you to answer this directly.
I look forward to hearing from you.
Norm, Please!
If I giggle much more I'm gonna self destruct. I swear, if I told you I flew fighter jets, you'd probably believe it!
SgtMom, from your 4th paragraph forward, we stand together. You made the point perfectly! (thanks for doing that)
@ Renee
Well I doubt that one of the reasons you have to prove yourself is simply because you're a guy and just due to that, you're being doubted. And I'm not talking about when physical strength itself comes into play.
That argument is flawed. We could take that exact same dismissive tone to every time someone needs to prove themselves "It's not because you're a xxxx, it's because you're being doubted".
As a simple fact, in male bonding and relationships it is ALWAYS a dominance powerplay. Most of the time these fall into place and there is no actual fighting/one-up-manship however it does occur.
This is just the way males function, as much as humans like to pretend, deep down we are animals and still behave like them in some ways. This is one of them as it is a way of picking a strong leader to help carry us all forward. t just sucks when even the leader is misguided (Re: Hitler, Stalin, generic bad guy, etc.)
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@ Norm
Watch out, Atom tricked you :O
She had already stated she made up having a degree.
Making a rather awful point as well as she took a rather nothing statement about thumb twiddling and turned it into "Women suck lolz! They can't do nothingz". When it was probably just meant to be more that while Men were off dying and fighting, the Women were not.
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@ SgtMom
I very much agree with your last post. Anyone who has suffered an injustice can realise that fighting it with more injustice is ineffective and morally incorrect. Violence only begets violence. Same with injustice.
People who have been hurt by injustice should stand up against it. They should care, when they currently don't. By locking up the innocent men who haven't committed rape, you're either enabling a criminal (false accuser) or potentially putting the wrong man behind bars and letting the actual rapist go free (in the case of wrong identity).
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I just wish people would get over the "fighting" over which sex is better. We have our differences, we communicate differently. It shouldn't be ALL on the Men or Women to compromise to meet the other half. We have to meet in the middle.
This would equate more to "Women don't like to ask Men out, so the Man approaches POLITELY (no grabbing :P). Woman can POLITELY decline and the Man walks away."
No one is hurt, no one is upset, the Woman got a compliment because someone was interested in her and the Man didn't get his balls handed to him for showing interest.
I'm just so happy that the majority of people still behave this way. I hope people like the poster of this article never change that with their irrational crap.
Veldan, well YES ... everything you say in the following post is TRUE:
"... Anyone who has suffered an injustice can realise that fighting it with more injustice is ineffective and morally incorrect. Violence only begets violence. Same with injustice.
People who have been hurt by injustice should stand up against it. They should care, when they currently don't. By locking up the innocent men who haven't committed rape, you're either enabling a criminal (false accuser) or potentially putting the wrong man behind bars and letting the actual rapist go free (in the case of wrong identity)."
Veldan, it makes me wonder where the opposition comes from. To argue against the validity of your post would be the same as believing that the "oppressed" have a right to become the "oppressors".
My oh my, will you just look at all the trolls in action in this thread.
It kinda makes me want to go out and buy a tabloid at the local grocers. At least their fictitious stories sound more credible.
@ Atom
The devil is in the detail. Everyone wants justice, but people define it differently. There are enough femi-nazis out there that think lynching a few innocent men to get the guilty ones is just.
For all the troll bashing that gets thrown around. Atom, Renee, SgtMom are far from what I'd call real trolls.
They can usually see reason (in regards to false rape being wrong) and they actually participate in a real discussion. Even if they are mislead or wrong the fact they ASK questions is what leads to these threads being so rewarding. If every comment was "i agree, woo!" "you go boy!" the actual message would never get the steam.
The reason hot topic issues become known is because they become hot topics which breed discussion. Sure, we often drift off false rape because that is one of those undeniably unjust (unless you're a previously stated femi-nazi) but our discussion tend to cover more Male/Female rights in general.
THIS IS GOOD DISCUSSION. Even if some of it is so mind meltingly stupid, from it we tend to get some real gems and cover REAL questions that people will ask.
Seriously, what's with all the hating? That is the exact same shit our opposition pull, aren't we supposed to strive to be better than them?
@Atom,
"I told you I flew fighter jets, you'd probably believe it!"
If that was true I'd be scard shitless - who are they letting into the milatary these days?! I thought the screening process was supposed to weed out basket cases.
"Well since I quoted you, that not possible."
Yes it is. You quoted what I said,alright,but then you proceeded to inject prejudice into what I said. It's a fact that women are more interested in celebrity gossip than men. That is the statement I was making. I did NOT say "Women cannot contribute any ideas of value". YOU said that.
"So based on that, are you calling your own comments misogynistic? "
No. I'm calling your interpretation of what I said misogynistic. I'll go even further and say that you are a gender-baiting asshole, who intentionally attempted to paint me as a misogynist by deliberately attributing false misogynist subtext to my statements,but failed.
"Because I never said they were."
In the words of Joe Wilson, "You lie.".
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"If I didn't know better, I would think that this comment is *gasp* misogynistic..."
Don't try to jerk me around,toots, I wasn't born yesterday.
Enabling women and girls to make false rape accusations is a perversion of a legal system.
Atom said...
SgtMom, from your 4th paragraph forward, we stand together. You made the point perfectly! (thanks for doing that)
So what's your beef with the first four paragraphs?
Veldan said...
For all the troll bashing that gets thrown around. Atom, Renee, SgtMom are far from what I'd call real trolls.
They can usually see reason (in regards to false rape being wrong) and they actually participate in a real discussion. Even if they are mislead or wrong the fact they ASK questions is what leads to these threads being so rewarding. If every comment was "i agree, woo!" "you go boy!" the actual message would never get the steam
Just for the record, Veldan - I'm here as a falsely accused (albeit by proxy).
I'm no more 'mislead' or 'wrong' than any other person who is posting here.
I've lived the life and walked in the shoes of the falsely accused.
My name and my address is on a public hit list, my home, my privacy violated, my family punished.
My perspective is as valid as anyone's.
For me it's about justice - not gender.
SgtMom says:
"So what's your beef with the first four paragraphs?"
Nothing at all~! It's just that I don't post on fems' blogs. Once in a blue moon I've commented on feministing.com, but I prefer the MRA's ... and Norm *chortle*
Here's an impactful statement that clearly defines your character:
"For me it's about justice - not gender." ......... amen!
I'm curious. I know your son was falsely accused, but am I the only one who doesn't know the story?
It's a fact that women are more interested in celebrity gossip than men. That is the statement I was making. I did NOT say "Women cannot contribute any ideas of value".
*Sigh* No, that was only part of the statement you were making. In fact, that wasn't even the main point of your comment in the first place. It was this:
Notice how she doesn't state any actual ideas or theories that women possess. That is because most of the women who voice opinions about politics,society, and the world around them, don't have opinions about those things per se, but about how it is all men the fault of men that those things aren't perfect utopias or ideal versions of themselves.
Give women a platform to voice their opinions and you get an awful lot of cronyism and sexism directed against men coming from their quarter.
According to you, most of the time whenever women voice opinions about politics, society, etc., don't really have opinions on them but only on how ~it's all the men's fault~. So basically, based on your quote above, most of the time, "women cannot contribute any ideas of value" besides bashing men.
Like I posted, all it amounts is that most of women's opinions about important topics, society, ideas of value, etc. consist of bashing men and nothing more. That's the problem. All this was after I said how the feminist movement showed women that yes, their thoughts/ideas/etc. are as important as men and should be valued.
And PLEASE, no gender-baiting is involved here. I'm more mature than that. Besides, you don't see me needlessly calling people assholes.
Veldan Oct 15, 2009 6:29:00 PM,
What about a woman in a male dominated field? How does the dominance powerplay come into play, if it does?
It may be because I'm hungry right now, but I'm not catching this. So are you saying that it's not true that as women in a male dominated field, they had to prove themselves simply because they were women? I'm just trying to get a clear understanding of what you said.
"impact" -- not impactful, geeze.
Atom,
I told my story early in the summer.
I'll tell you why I stopped posting for awhile later.
In a condensed nutshell, during a temper tantrum when she wasn't allowed to attend a party, my 11 year old niece claimed my 16 year old son raped her every day during a lengthy family visit two years before.
She went to the party, my son went to jail.
Her side of the story:during a family visit(we live 5 states away) my (then 14 year old)son raped her(then 9 yrs old) violently at knife point, orally, anally, vaginally. Every day, every night. In her brother's room, in the shower, in a tree house outdoors. She was 'too afraid' to tell. Her parents, grandparents, brother and sister saw nothing and heard nothing.
My sister in law, her mother, claimed she moved her daughter into the son's room, moved the son to another room, so she could share his bunk beds with my son.
That was the 'probable cause'.
A neighbor lady said her daughter said the accuser "started talking about sex during his visit" two years later, when they visited the accuser in the hospital during her 2 week rape exam.
That triple hearsay statement was the 'evidence' against him.
She said she feared pregnancy, he used "pert shampoo" to "Make it go in easier".The medical exam showed her virginally intact.
Inadmissible was the accuser's prior rape accusation -which she denied happened.
She'd accused a 5 year old neighbor boy of rape and spent several years in therapy(also denied and inadmissible.
My son passed two polygraphs with high truth scores saying he didn't do it. He had no history of misbehavior.
Ten days before trial, the family moved, unannounced, to another state - refusing to return to testify.
We were told he must accept a plea or go to prison.
My son insisted on a hearing anyway.
Two days before the hearing we were told she had been checked into a mental hospital.
"Who are they gonna believe? YOU? Or that POOOOOR little girl?" Every attorney we consulted said he would go to prison if he didn't accept an Alford plea for no jail time.
He took the plea, and was jailed anyway for passing another polygraph saying he didn't do it. He was now 'in denial'.
After he was jailed his accuser 'bounced back' and no longer needed therapy.
They now say they are sorry and "just let it go - let's be a family again".
I left out HUGE chunks of story, but that's about the barest bare bones facts.
SgtMom, I feel enraged for you, and I rarely use profanity even in the confines of my own home:
****** CHIT *******
Yeah I was also wondering where you went Sgt.Mom. I'm can't even fathom what your son, you, and the rest of your family went through and are going through.
You all will be in my prayers.
Big surprise that the trolls LOVE SgtMom.
"'When I go on a date, I leave the man's contact info so the cops can find my body if I go missing'"
She leaves the man's contact info for anyone to possess and possibly misuse while it is illegal in some places for him to record any consent to sex , including the actual consensual sex. A double standard?
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