Wednesday, October 21, 2009
More on boy-hating mothers
Barbara Kay has a great piece about the article on boy-hating mothers we've previously discussed here. She correctly points out that the article in question doesn't condemn the misandrists: "This article . . . was written not to bury gender hatred but to praise it. That's sick. But also a telling forensic detail in a growing body of cultural evidence proving that boys have become the West's Second Sex, and nobody seems to care about it."
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Here's the only thing wrong with this article:
In honour/shame societies, boys are prized and girls are considered virtually worthless apart from their procreative properties, with even that positive valuation contingent on male issue.
Complete nonsense. In "honor societies" women have always had a well-protected, honorable place, with their chastity and maternal qualities highly regarded. Men have always done the dirty, dangerous jobs, including fighting in wars, while women have been pampered.
The article is otherwise spot-on. Feminism has utterly failed to deliver the equalitarian utopia it promised. Men are getting screwed worse than women ever were, and even as that is happening millions of women have been driven into poverty. Destroy the family and undermine basic rights and everybody suffers.
I've never met anyone who hated their infant because it was a boy. This article was stupid. I have no doubt that you could find such a person, but you'd be far more likely to find males who are disappointed they have girls. Way, way more.
And no, Anonymous, girls are valueless in a large part or the world because they are considered to be such a burden. Girls in Afghanistan and elsewhere are given as payment for debt and other things and used as sex objects, passed around from male member to male member of the family. Do you honestly think that the birth of a girl in a repressed, male-dominated culture is met with cheers? BOYS are prized and valued. You don't see the Chinese aborting boy fetuses, do you? Which is why they're now hundreds of millions short of marriageable girls (but they kidnap them and sell them to the highest bidder, so all's good).
So speaks someone who has never been to a Muslim country, or China.
and people wonder why so many people outside the USA find it so easy to hate the USA
jeana said...
I've never met anyone who hated their infant because it was a boy. This article was stupid.
I have. Admittedly the mother was a seperatist lesbian but that poor kid was consigned to a life of complete misery.
For your info it seems that more than two thirds of aborted foetuses in the western world are male.
The west often functions as a perfect mirror image of the muslim world. This is no exception.
Thank you Gwallan. I have yet to meet any man who is disappointed to have fathered a daughter. I know men who treat their daughters with kid gloves while being hard on their sons. They refer to their daughters as their little princesses while referring to their sons as if they are the carrier of a deadly disease. IMHO, many societies treat juvenile and adult males as expendable assets. A man or boy is woth only what they can do/produce. It has always been this way in the west.
I remember back when teachers were permitted to paddle students who misbehaved.The girls were given either a light scolding or a light tap on the buttocks while the teacher nearly broke the paddle beating a male student, while berating him harshly. This was done regardless of the offense(s) The western government of the U.S. does literally the same thing. Come to think of it, having mentioned the word offense(s), when did we first come to use the words offense(s) and offender(s) alongside the words crime(s) and criminal(s) in the legal and criminal justice industries? Was it an infection of PCism?
"I feel that 'man-hating' is an honorable and viable political act, that the oppressed have a right to class-hatred against the class that is oppressing them." -- Robin Morgan, Ms. Magazine Editor.
"Man-hating is everywhere, but everywhere it is twisted and transformed, disguised, tranquilized, and qualified. It coexists, never peacefully, with the love, desire, respect, and need women also feel for men. Always man-hating is shadowed by its milder, more diplomatic and doubtful twin, ambivalence." -- Judith Levine; Authoress
"I haven't the faintest notion what possible revolutionary role white hetero- sexual men could fulfill, since they are the very embodiment of reactionary- vested-interest-power. But then, I have great difficulty examining what men in general could possibly do about all this. In addition to doing the shitwork that women have been doing for generations, possibly not exist? No, I really don't mean that. Yes, I really do." -- Robin Morgan
"The proportion of men must be reduced to and maintained at approximately 10% of the human race." -- Sally Miller Gearhart, in The Future - If There Is One - Is Female.
"If life is to survive on this planet, there must be a decontamination of the Earth. I think this will be accompanied by an evolutionary process that will result in a drastic reduction of the population of males." --Mary Daly, former Professor at Boston College, 2001.
"Men who are unjustly accused of rape can sometimes gain from the experience." - Catherine Comins
"All men are rapists and that's all they are" -- Marilyn French, Authoress; (later, advisoress to Al Gore's Presidential Campaign.)
"Probably the only place where a man can feel really secure is in a maximum security prison, except for the imminent threat of release." -- Germaine Greer.
"I feel what they feel: man-hating, that volatile admixture of pity, contempt, disgust, envy, alienation, fear, and rage at men. It is hatred not only for the anonymous man who makes sucking noises on the street, not only for the rapist or the judge who acquits him, but for what the Greeks called philo-aphilos, 'hate in love,' for the men women share their lives with--husbands, lovers, friends, fathers, brothers, sons, coworkers." -- Judith Levine, Authoress of My Enemy, My love
"Women have their faults / men have only two: / everything they say / everything they do." -- Popular Feminist Graffiti
"Men, as a group, tend to be abusive, either verbally, sexually or emotionally. There are always the exceptions, but they are few and far between (I am married to one of them). There are different levels of violence and abuse and individual men buy into this system by varying degrees. But the male power structure always remains intact." Message on FEMISA, responding to a request for arguments that men are unnecessary for a child to grow into mature adulthood.
"Marriage has existed for the benefit of men; and has been a legally sanctioned method of control over women.... We must work to destroy it. The end of the institution of marriage is a necessary condition for the liberation of women. Therefore it is important for us to encourage women to leave their husbands and not to live individually with men.... All of history must be re-written in terms of oppression of women. We must go back to ancient female religions like witchcraft" (from "The Declaration of Feminism," November, 1971).
"We are, as a sex, infinitely superior to men." -- Elizabeth Cady Stanton
“Feminism, Socialism, and Communism are one in the same, and Socialist/Communist government is the goal of feminism.” - Catharine A. MacKinnon
"We identify the agents of our oppression as men.......ALL MEN HAVE OPPRESSED WOMEN.....We do not need to change ourselves, but to change men......The most slanderous evasion of all is that women can oppress men." --The Redstockings Manifesto
A man or boy is woth only what they can do/produce. It has always been this way in the west.
Not quite. In part jeana is right that there has often been stronger desire for male offspring in the west.
It can even be quite mundane. I know my own father is disappointed because, although he has two sons (and two daughters), his name will not be passed on. Neither of his sons produced sons themselves. In his mind the line stops here.
You need to add the concept of "dynasty" to your thinking.
"We identify the agents of our oppression as men.......ALL MEN HAVE OPPRESSED WOMEN.....We do not need to change ourselves, but to change men......The most slanderous evasion of all is that women can oppress men." --The Redstockings Manifesto
LOL
In every relationship I've been in the woman concerned set out to change me. There is nothing worse than somebody being ambitious on your behalf believe me.
Of course each of them eventually broke off the relationship with complaints that they didn't love me any more because I'd changed.
Sheesh.
Why do I have this suspicion that multitudes of men know exactly what I'm talking about?
Oops. The Anonymous at 3:45:00 AM was me not deliberately trying to be anonymous.
I think.
Where's Freud when you need him?
" Use them abuse them throw them away and get another"
popular womens/girls saying during the 1980sin regards to men/boys.
"girls rule, boys drool"
A popular saying of women/girls during the late 1980s early ninties that is still said today.
The above were the battle cries of feminists and radical feminists I have heard for most of my life.
No feminist has ever publicly decried the messages. These messages made it clear how men were/are to be viewed by western society. Even the governemnt of the west has, to a large degree, subscribed to and swallowed the meanings of these hateful and debasing words. Men for centuries have known what their devalue was and is in society. Nevermind the fact that women have been honored and virtually worshipped. Look at ancient roman and greek cultures. Was there a god of handsomeness? No but there was a godess of beauty (Venus). Was there a god of wisdom? No there was a godess of wisdom ( Athena/Minerva). Did any culture ever afix the bust of a man to the frint of their ships or name aircraft after a male? Look at England and tell me all of their rulers were men. Which gender sits upon the royal throne now? Did nobody cry when Princess Diana (who was a female loved and virtually worshipped by men as well as women) was killed?
Still males are viewed as evil and worthless while women are held in high esteem not only in the west but, also in other regions.
There are too many places in the world where women are not considered as cattle or breeding stock or considered to be lesser than men and boys. In fact, if anything, women and gilrs are held in higher esteem than men and boys.
The only time men were ever considered worth anything was when it came to needing someone to die on the battlefields or amass a huge fortune so a woman could come along and marry the man,consumate the marriage then,after it was too late for the marriage to be enulled, take the man to the cleaners, rail all sorts of accusations against him and then, financially rape him for everything the courts allowed her to rape him for. Look at Donald Trump and the two women ( Ivana and Marla Maples) who did a hell of a job on him. Look at Liz Taylor who married many men of wealth and took them for all she could get but, didn't suffer the same fate when she "slummed it" by marrying Lawrence Lee Fortensky who was a simple constrution foreman, if I remember correctly. I don't think he was awarded anything when they divocred he received nothing.
http://www.recordssitereviews.com/divorcerecords/elizabeth-taylor-larry-fortensky-divorce.html
It seems as if we only good enough to be used and abused outcasts thrown in jail/prison at the whim of both women and society while, all the while still expected to remain protectors and providers for those who would rather see us erased from the face of the Earth. I'm sure some or all of what I have posted will be taken out of context by those who "don't know about all of that" or " Just aren't seeing it. " There have been women and girls who have had it rough and there may be a few women/girls who have it rough now but, life has never been a soft bed of sweet roses (minus the thorns) for men, without men having to work/slave for it.
"All of those things were said in the past and have no bearing on the way things are nowadays or the way women view men and boys or the ways men and boys are viewed by or treated by society and the governemnt."
I do not believe this nor do I believe it will ever change until men do something about it as it appears society will never do anything about it.
I hear both men and women who want to have children, as well as those who have discovered they are pregnant say this; " We're hoping it is gong to be a girl, boys are too much/so much harder/more trouble to raise than girls."
You have made a good point Gwallan.
Anon 4:13...
Enjoyed that while not necessarily agreeing with all of it.
I do need to correct something.
Look at ancient roman and greek cultures. Was there a god of handsomeness? No but there was a godess of beauty (Venus). Was there a god of wisdom? No there was a godess of wisdom ( Athena/Minerva).
Anthropomorphism. Various qualities were ascribed to individual gods of both genders but only to one individual god at a time. They were efficient at least. Why have two deities for one quality? The roman goddess of justice, Iusticia - the legal emblem everyone is familiar with - is female. Different time, different people, different ethos. I'm sure the irony of her current role would not be lost on those Romans she originally served.
Re "handsomeness" it is only in relatively recent history that the male figure or character has been considered ugly/obscene. A visit to any art gallery or library should confirm this for you.
The real shame of the western world through my lifetime is that the male figure is now viewed as beyond ugly/obscene and possibly even beyond evil.
Anonymous @4:26:00 AM said...
I hear both men and women who want to have children, as well as those who have discovered they are pregnant say this; " We're hoping it is gong to be a girl, boys are too much/so much harder/more trouble to raise than girls."
Idiots. They should talk to mothers who HAVE raised daughters before they assume that.
I'm of generation that's well into grandkids. The common experience seems to be that boys are more problematic in what goes on outside the home and girls cause more trouble on the home front.
Virtually all the women I know say that girls are harder.
Let's not forget the grand-daddy of all male/female biases, THE DRAFT
All males must register, in the states anyway, when you turn 18. If you do not you can face legal ramifications. Women however need not ever worry about that. And what kind of men are drafted. Always the young to protect the older males and females of society. Treated as expendable for as long as I can remember.
And there is no reason for that, since women could be drafted without being sent into combat (used in support roles).
llyando said...
Let's not forget the grand-daddy of all male/female biases, THE DRAFT
All males must register, in the states anyway, when you turn 18. If you do not you can face legal ramifications.
If you read the back of the selective service sign up, you will find it is illegal for a woman to sign up for selective service. There is jail time, and/or a stiff fine.
I know. I was going to sign up with my son after he got a nasty gov'mt letter reminding him of his 'duty'.
I pray I NEVER live to see either my sons or daughters drafted.
The current President, and both former presidents all had draft aged daughters when they were president. It was a little difficult for them to suggest drafting our sons while their daughters stay home and send cookies.
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