Thanks to Fidelbogen at The Counter Feminist for the heads up.
Comments will be interspersed.
Justice scale may tilt in favor of sex victims.
Notice the title of the piece. It automatically assumes that actual sex victims are prejudiced, that anyone who reports a rape or sexual assault is telling the truth -- that they are 'victims,' and by extension, the accused are rapists.
The justice system could be tilted to make it easier to convict sex offenders if the Government adopts proposals in a controversial taskforce report.
The report from the two-year taskforce for action on sexual violence, issued yesterday, would reverse the usual rules of evidence for sex cases only - disclosing previous offences and complaints against an accused offender, directing juries that they may draw an "adverse inference" if an accused opts to stay silent, and directing them that "beyond reasonable doubt" does not mean "no doubt" that the accused is guilty.
The special standards of evidence means the eradication of due process standards. The cherished right not to be forced to testify against yourself : gone. The jury can hear even of prior "complaints" -- so if you were falsely accused in the past, the jury gets to hear about it now, and the jury obviously will think, "hmm, where there's smoke, there must be fire." And if the jury has a doubt about guilt, it's OK to send the hapless male away for a few decades.
Other proposals include full funding for rape crisis agencies and an entitlement to two years of counselling for all sex abuse victims - a stark contrast to new Accident Compensation Corporation rules restricting counselling to victims with diagnosed mental illnesses and for a maximum of 16 weeks at a time.
The taskforce was set up by the former Labour Government in 2007, after a Commission of Inquiry into allegations by Louise Nicholas of sexual misconduct by police.
The taskforce has followed an unusual process which has let the National Government avoid any commitment to most of the key proposals.
The 14-member taskforce comprised the heads of 10 government departments, including Justice Secretary Belinda Clark and Police Commissioner Howard Broad, plus four people from a non-government network of sexual violence services.
But most of the proposals have been endorsed only by the four non-government members.
So, the individuals from the "Rape/Sexual Violence" industry are the only ones to endorse this? At least that is a good thing.
Justice Minister Simon Power said the Government would respond to the report "in the coming months".
ACC has extended its funding of the Auckland Sexual Abuse Help Foundation's helpline until January 31, assuming that ministers will decide on the sector's future funding by then.
The corporation said in May that it would stop funding the helpline from July 31 as part of a "line-by-line" spending review.
It has now extended its $350,000 annual funding twice waiting for Government decisions.
The taskforce proposals for the justice system are based on research, published this month, showing only 13 per cent of all sexual violence cases reported to police result in convictions.
Did it ever occur to the taskforce, that the percentage is only at 13 because there are a large number of these cases that weren't actually valid?
The full taskforce has endorsed three changes already proposed in a Government discussion paper last year:
* Defining "consent" in sexual cases. At present the law only specifies cases where consent does not exist. New South Wales defines consent as "if the person freely and voluntarily agrees to the sexual intercourse".
Are we going to see another of the "enthusiastically, verbally consents"-type of arguments? Consent can be granted without ever saying a word.
* Requiring courts to look at all the circumstances, including any steps taken by an accused to find out if the complainant consented.
Steps taken? Where does it end? Must a male obtain a written statement, a video of consent, or a video taping the entire encounter to establish consent? Once again, we are seeing the attempt to shift the burden of proof on to the accused away from the state. How many innocent people are going to be in prison because of this?
* Prohibiting evidence on the sexual history between the complainant and the accused except with the judge's prior approval.
OK, this might be the most outrageous piece of the puzzle. If I have been having sex with a woman for 5 years and then one night, after an argument, she turns around and yells rape, the jury is only going to hear the part about her yelling "rape."
The four non-government taskforce members recommend going much further to disclose the accused's past sexual convictions and the complainant's past complaints against him.
I wasn't aware that this wasn't already a possibility.
They say juries should also be directed that no corroborating or forensic evidence is necessary to convict someone in a sex case, that they may draw "an adverse inference" if an accused opts not to give evidence, that there can be good reasons for a complainant not complaining straight after a sexual assault, and that in sex cases "the standard of beyond reasonable doubt does not mean that no doubt can exist in their minds."
And there it is. No corroborating evidence or forensic evidence. Simply the word of an individual will be necessary to convict someone. And this doesn't scare the hell out of every man in that country? This should terrify anyone with a modicum of intelligence, and compassion. How is this NOT ripe for abuse?
As well, this means now that you can doubt the defendant did it, and still convict him. I hope that New Zealand is a rich country. The number of wrongful conviction lawsuits, in the future, is going to skyrocket, if these measures are put in place.
They also want "an absolute prohibition" of personal cross-examination of a complainant by an accused, a requirement for the judge to seek the complainant's views on alternative ways of giving evidence, an "inalienable right" for the complainant to have a support person during a trial, private rooms for victims in courts and police stations and specialists to help complainants write victim impact statements for sentencing.OK, I take back what I said before. THIS is the most outrageous of the proposals. It replaces the adversarial system with an inquisition system. The defendant can't defend himself the way any other accused is permitted. The judge and the ACCUSER decide how the male may present evidence! The cherished right to confront your accuser in court: gone. Specialists to help write impact statements? Is that anything like the case a while back, where the police helped the accuser rewrite her statement 15 times until they were happy with it?
Louise Nicholas, a Rape Prevention Education survivor advocate whose alleged rape by police officers in the 1980s led to a commission of inquiry in 2007, said the Government should ban jury trials completely in sex cases.
Just castrate the accused without trial, why don't you. MURDERERS get jury trials. MANSON got a jury trial. But a college boy who allegedly went too far? HE'S NOT WORTHY OF A JURY TRIAL. Forget what I said earlier: this is the most outrageous point raised. After all: "All men are rapists and that's all they are." Marilyn French.
And an alleged rape in the 1980's led to the commission in 2007? Seriously? Something that may or may not have occurred 20 years ago led to the forming of a commission to take away the rights of present day hapless males accused of sex crimes. How truly idiotic, how inane is that?
"Bless them, the jury does a fantastic job in other cases," she said.
"But when it comes to rape and sexual abuse cases unfortunately they don't have the understanding.
"Understanding" -- of what? That they have to evaluate ALL of the evidence, and determine if a crime has been committed? That type of "understanding"?
"From the age of 13 I found I had lost many battles, but today I feel a war has finally been won."
Auckland University associate law professor Julia Tolmie said the proposed changes would be revolutionary but were in line with proposals by retired Court of Appeal judge Justice Ted Thomas.
"Sexual assault cases are different from other trials because they are always credibility contests between the complainant and the accused.
"What Ted has argued is, let's let everything in that is relevant to credibility," she said.
Does that include prior false accusations? Does that include the accusers sexual history? Somehow, I doubt it.
But Victoria University associate professor Elisabeth McDonald said judges were already free to make most of the recommended directions to juries, and on balance she did not support the biggest further change in the report - the "adverse inference" where an accused chose to stay silent.
"I think there are other things that could be done that don't go to the heart of the criminal justice system, which is the presumption of innocence," she said.
AMEN!!!
"The thing that makes it difficult to convict in acquaintance rape situations relates to rape mythology, this idea that if something has happened they will complain straight away, or that if women go home with someone that means they want sex."
Garbage. The biggest difficulty is that in a he said/she said situation, with no other corroborating evidence, reasonable doubt is automatic and there shouldn't even be charges pressed. And I'm sorry, but if no explicit declaration is made that going home with someone isn't going to lead to sex, it is usually accepted and understood that that is the reason for going home with someone. That doesn't mean the man can force a woman to have sex against her will, but if she accedes to sex, it's consensual.
CHANGING THE BALANCE
RECOMMENDATIONS
* Accused's past sex convictions and complainant's past complaints to be disclosed.
* Absolute ban on accused personally cross-examining complainant.
* Judge to seek complainant's views on alternative ways to give evidence.
JUDGE TO DIRECT JURY
* They may convict even if there is no corroboration or forensic evidence.
* They may draw adverse inference if accused opts to stay silent.
* There can be good reasons for complainant's delay.
* "Beyond reasonable doubt" does not mean no doubt.
Silence can be construed as guilt, you can have doubt and convict someone, and no evidence, other than the word of the accuser is needed. Men of New Zealand, there are now recommendations in place that put a bullseye target on your backs; they would snatch your freedom from you based on nothing but the word of a single person. Welcome to New World Order.
Link:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10604923&pnum=0
69 comments:
I'm not from New Zealand, but I have followed the Peter Ellis case for years. New Zealand, as well as Australia have gone as batty as the US, UK, Scotland and Ireland.
http://www.religioustolerance.org/ra_newze.htm
1. Starting 1985 in New Zealand, child molesters could be convicted on the uncorroborated testimony of young children.
2. Prosecutors seem to have willing to accept the testimony of small children, no matter how physically impossible the acts were and in spite of the absence of physical evidence that would have had to be present if the acts had taken place.
3. Parents of abused children who claim to have been sexually abused can apply for government awards (typically NZ$ 10,000; about $7,000 in US funds). No charges or convictions are required as proof that the events really happened.
""Mr. Ellis was finally freed in 2000-FEB after having served seven years of his 10 year sentence. He could have been released on parole earlier, but refused because he would have had to first acknowledge that he was guilty. He has continued to protest his innocence. ""
Very unfortunate, but a chilling reminder of where the feminists want to take rape law, next, throughout the world. NZ is one of the most rabidly feminist places on the planet, but that just means it is a harbinger of things to come elsewhere. Sure, now they say preserve innocent until proven guilty, but as we all know there are feminist legal scholars who are presently arguing in the academy with a straight face that this should also be reversed in rape cases "because rape is different".
Ultimately that's the battle right there -- either rape is like all other crimes and gets the same rules, or it gets singled out for its own separate criminal justice system, "because rape is different".
NZ is one of the most rabidly feminist places on the planet, but that just means it is a harbinger of things to come elsewhere.
Nova,
I don't recall exactly where I read it (I'll try to dig up the link), but a NZ police officer estimated that the rate of false rape reporting was somewhere around 50-65%. And that is current. These new ideas will make that percentage go through the roof. Funny, isn't it, that in places where feminism has taken root, there is such a high rate of false sexual based accusation problem? Coincidence?
WOW!
That has to be the most ludicrous thing I have ever read. And to think that it is actually on the table.
That really scares me. It's chilling to imagine such a place; even more so to imagine that there are real people out there who advocate this.
It really makes me wonder how can people be like this? Shakes my faith in people to the core.
Just Wow...!
Please remember men, some women out there lie. They actually believe false rape is an option for them. This comes from 40 years of academic feminism.
RM
They're turning into America, where one in three men convicted of rape are innocent.
This looks to me like a coup d'etat by stealth.
With laws like this, any man in government could easily be framed and ousted from office with the aid of a good actress.
"New Zealand, as well as Australia have gone as batty as the US, UK, Scotland and Ireland."
And all for the same reason. Women have now reached a critical mass in the public services and governments of all these countries.
I have to admit, my first thought when I read this, was that Harriet Harman has been busy talking to people, based on her attempt to make these types of changes in the UK.
Scary, is definitely and understatement.
@Archivist...
If you read some of the Peter Ellis stuff you'll find references to part of NZ having a false accusation rate around eighty percent over several years.
gwallan,
I haven't read any of his stuff. Can you point me to anything by him?
Thanks.
Really? You think only 13% of rape cases are valid? That would mean that 87% of women are lying? Or that they guys couldn’t help themselves, being men and like Winnie the Pooh, having very little brain? Of course you believe that.
And you “aren’t aware” that the accused past rape convictions aren’t usually held against him? I thought you knew everything about rape. They’re not held against them because they might prejudice the jury, right? I mean, if a woman lies about being raped, that means she can never, ever be believed in the future. But if a man is convicted of rape, you need to ignore that fact and only consider his current rape accusation. Convenient.
And you think that the accused rapist should be able to grill his victim? Do you also think that a child molester should be able to question his victim, even if it’s his own daughter? Can’t you see any problems with that?
“The thing that makes it difficult to convict in acquaintance rape situations relates to rape mythology, this idea that if something has happened they will complain straight away, or that if women go home with someone that means they want sex."
Garbage. The biggest difficulty is that in a he said/she said situation, with no other corroborating evidence, reasonable doubt is automatic and there shouldn't even be charges pressed. And I'm sorry, but if no explicit declaration is made that going home with someone isn't going to lead to sex, it is usually accepted and understood that that is the reason for going home with someone. That doesn't mean the man can force a woman to have sex against her will, but if she accedes to sex, it's consensual.
BULLSHIT. If “going home with someone” means automatic sex, then SAY IT. SAY that you expect sex. But you don’t. Because you know that saying it outright would way decrease the possibility of you getting any. You CANNOT infer that going home means automatic sex. That’s ridiculous.
And men here say exactly what this person said. “If it’s really rape, why, then they’ll run to the police immediately! And their bodies will be bruised and battered!” And God forbid they wear sexy underwear. They’re just totally asking for it.
Anyway, you say if she “accedes to sex, it’s consensual” and you also say it’s all “he said/she said”. And you say going home with someone means automatic sex. So really, any guy who takes a woman home is entitled to sex, regardless of whether or not she wants it, because gee, with no witnesses, how can you prove it wasn’t consensual?
@Archivist...
Start here...The Peter Ellis web site
I don't know a great deal about it outside of seeing a couple of media pieces over the years.
Couple of years back police on the south island of NZ were reporting that 80% rate. They had no idea why it was happening. It was almost like it had simply become fashionable for young women to do it.
So really, any woman who goes home with a man is entitled to scream rape, regardless of whether or not it was, because gee, with no witnesses, how can you prove it was consensual?
jeana,
SHUT THE FUCK UP!!!
AND FUCK OFF YOU STINKING STD INFESTED SKANK OF A SHITHOLE!!!
Really? You think only 13% of rape cases are valid? That would mean that 87% of women are lying?
You know, I've come to the conclusion that your reading comprehension sucks.
Did it ever occur to the taskforce, that the percentage is only at 13 because there are a large number of these cases that weren't actually valid?
Please point out to me where I said ONLY 13% of the cases were valid? Or where I said 87% of women were lying. Did you think that maybe, just maybe that a large number of those cases were NOT valid for any multitude of reasons? False accusation, lack of proof (and just so were clear, lack of proof means that it can neither be proven nor disproven - no one should be convicted in that type of case).
I'll post more tomorrow (today?) on the rest of what you said, unless gwallan beats me to it.
Really? You think only 13% of rape cases are valid? That would mean that 87% of women are lying? Or that they guys couldn’t help themselves, being men and like Winnie the Pooh, having very little brain? Of course you believe that.
Oh no, J-troll. I don't doubt that 65% of rape convictions are legit.
"Only" one in three convictions for rape are false, not five in six. But give it time; your feminazi allies are working on getting a higher false conviction rate.
However, one false rape conviction IS worse than ten (or twenty, or a hundred) rapes, so the harm caused to innocent people by your precious legal system far exceeds any benefits to society.
llyando said...
" That really scares me. It's chilling to imagine such a place; even more so to imagine that there are real people out there who advocate this."
What could be amazing is the number of men who advocate this. If they only knew...
"It really makes me wonder how can people be like this?"
Many of them are like this because they have been brainwashed and duped.
Oct 23, 2009 6:05:00 PM
Anonymous said...
" They're turning into America, where one in three men convicted of rape are innocent. "
Oct 23, 2009 6:50:00 PM
You can just imagine how many men and boys who have been convicted,based on false accusations, of committing other violent crimes against women/girls and the only "proof" was the woman's/girl's word(s). Just imagine what it would be like if NZ had a sexist abominable crime bill such as VAWA.
The Archivist said...
" I have to admit, my first thought when I read this, was that Harriet Harman has been busy talking to people, based on her attempt to make these types of changes in the UK. "
" Scary, is definitely and understatement. "
Have yo by any chance visited agry Harry's web site? He despises Harriet Harman.
Oct 23, 2009 9:19:00 PM
http://www.angryharry.com/
Here is what he had to say about her lies regarding rape.
http://www.harrietharmansucks.com/
Off topic
http://www.helium.com/items/134955-how-feminists-are-using-feminist-rhetoric-to-scam-other-women
http://www.atlanticblog.com/archives/002660.html
http://www.simplyhired.com/a/jobs/list/q-feminist
http://alettertothetimes.wordpress.com/2009/05/03/how-many-women-does-feminism-have-to-kill/
http://www.rhrealitycheck.org/blog/2009/03/19/feminism-and-new-great-depression-whats-next
I saw another attorney yesterday and he said there is a rash of these accusations in our tiny area of the world.
He also showed me the booklet of "Victim's Compensation" that encourages these types of allegations. Law Enforcement GIVES these booklets to the accusers which encourages fraud.
Hopefully he will start commenting here also. We need all you attorneys to get together to begin exposing these false accuers and bringing THEM to justice.
CBGirl
JEANA SAID: "So really, any guy who takes a woman home is entitled to sex, regardless of whether or not she wants it, because gee, with no witnesses, how can you prove it wasn’t consensual?"
Classic feminist spin. No, Jeana, it isn't that he's ENTITLED to sex, it is indicative that she CONSENTED to sex, despite all the hand-wringing and twisint and poundning of man-hating, lesbian, rape feminists.
The feminists always try to change the topic from whether or not a rape even happened to whether or not a rape was justified -- because that way they can trick morons into assuming that the rape did happen.
It's all about lies.
Pierce, this time you are definitely wrong ... there's not an ounce of leverage for me to give you the benfit of the doubt.
Here's what you say:
Classic feminist spin. No, Jeana, it isn't that he's ENTITLED to sex [if she goes home with him], it is indicative that she CONSENTED to sex, despite all the hand-wringing and twisint and poundning of man-hating, lesbian, rape feminists.
Absolutely UNTRUE~!
Goes to show ya how Rapists are wired. NO WAY would a "normal" man believe that if a woman went home with him, he would automatically have her "consent".
Jeana is 100% right on this!
@Atom...
Every woman who has gone home with me expected sex.
Atom/Georgia Girl said this: "NO WAY would a 'normal' man believe that if a woman went home with him, he would automatically have her 'consent'."
You misread what I wrote. I didn't juat say the man would BELIEVE she consented. I said it is indicative of actual consent. There may be other circumstances to militate against consent, to be sure, but as a factor standing alone, it is one of many that suggests consent.
Jeana is a moron who should be banned from this blog. He never said that the woman had to put out if she went home with him.
Learn to read, idiots.
When dealing with these "ladies" let's never forget exactly what we're dealing with.
Jeaneass is a pathetic moron who lives for the attention she gets by trolling (and ruining) MRA blogs and message boards, who has admitted that she would gladly make a false rape accusation in order to get an abortion, and
A-hole is a c-word who compares the Hofstra victims to animals and argued that they should be "euthanized." She also laughs openly at the notion that men should be presumed innocent until proven guilty, and that it is better to let 100 criminals go than to imprison one innocent man.
Not much point to having anything to do with that kind of scum. And no, we don't "need to learn to deal with people like this." I wish I had a nickel for every time I've heard that old canard.
If you want to use the word "indicative", the ONLY thing indicative of actual consent is when a women chooses on her own accord to get naked and spread her legs. And if she's on alcohol or drugs, don't touch her because her brain is temporarily impaired. It's quite simple.
Why don't you list the other actions you consider "indicative" of a woman's consent. *snarl
and of course my post was for Pierce, and not the resident Troll.
@Atom...
When my drunken woman caller had her finger nails encircling my scrotum and was telling me what she "could do" if I didn't accede to her wishes...
was that "indicative" of her consent?
And if she's on alcohol or drugs, don't touch her because her brain is temporarily impaired. It's quite simple.
Um, no. DON'T TOUCH her because any male who does so automatically assumes responsibility for the consequences of her alcohol consumption.
Meanwhile, back in the real world, my sister assumed the consent of a drunk, almost comatose young man when their relationship was on the skids. Her aim was pregnancy and a shot gun wedding to seal the deal. She was successful on both counts.
Power and control, my dear, power and control.
"And you think that the accused rapist should be able to grill his victim? Do you also think that a child molester should be able to question his victim, even if it’s his own daughter? Can’t you see any problems with that?"
Not only do *I* think that, the founding fathers of the United States thought it such an important right that they enshrined it forever in law.
Who the fuck are you to argue with them?
"When my drunken woman caller had her finger nails encircling my scrotum and was telling me what she "could do" if I didn't accede to her wishes...
was that "indicative" of her consent?"
Absolutely not. The reality is after she did that she could have physically raped you, went to the police the next day to inform them how she was raped bc she was drunk, and you would find yourself in the newspaper the next day.
Dealing with the logic of most women is like dealing with a spoiled teenager. They think they know everything and will shout it to the heavens until reality comes into play and then they beg for help bc they are helpless and can't tale responsibility for anything of consequence.
Women are smarter, stronger and better than men in every aspect. Except if they have a couple of drinks, then they lose all ability to function and are helpless victims. Of course if a man is drunk he is still responsible for himself. If a man is drunk he is also responsible for any woman.
"When my drunken woman caller had her finger nails encircling my scrotum and was telling me what she "could do" if I didn't accede to her wishes...
was that "indicative" of her consent?"
Absolutely not. The reality is after she did that she could have physically raped you, went to the police the next day to inform them how she was raped bc she was drunk, and you would find yourself in the newspaper the next day.
Dealing with the logic of most women is like dealing with a spoiled teenager. They think they know everything and will shout it to the heavens until reality comes into play and then they beg for help bc they are helpless and can't tale responsibility for anything of consequence.
Women are smarter, stronger and better than men in every aspect. Except if they have a couple of drinks, then they lose all ability to function and are helpless victims. Of course if a man is drunk he is still responsible for himself. If a man is drunk he is also responsible for any woman.
"And you think that the accused rapist should be able to grill his victim? Do you also think that a child molester should be able to question his victim, even if it’s his own daughter? Can’t you see any problems with that?"
Oh really? And what if it was YOU who was accused of a crime? But of course it could never be YOU or one of YOUR men; we all know the legal system is clean enough to eat off of and would never charge an INNOCENT man with a crime.
Any more idiotic, ignorant questions?
@jeana
FUCK YOU.
@Atom
FUCK YOU.
Gwallan, I have to ask ---
How did the "drunken woman caller" get that far in the first place? Did she physically overpower you and remove your trousers/shorts?
And when she threatened what she "could do" if you did not agree to sex, where's her smoking gun w/o any semen?
God bless you, 3:53.
@Atom...
One might think you accuse a victim of lying.
You would never doubt a victim would you Atom?
You didn't answer my two legitimate questions!
@Atom...
It's no different to holding a knife to someone's throat.
Get it.
It's called rape except that it can't possibly be rape, of course, because a woman did it to a man.
It was in a relationship, she was ninety pounds heavier than I and it was over 100°F in the shade so I wasn't wearing much to begin with.
Your demanding answers instead of answering the question I put originally is presumptuous and extremely voyeuristic on your part.
No. You don't get all the salacious detail. You don't get a detailed, blow by blow description. You don't get to wet yourself in glee like countless other women do when a woman abuses a man or even a boy.
Your attempt at minimisation is noted. Expect to be reminded of it.
Atom said...
God bless you, 3:53.
Isn't that Goddess bless you?
Couldn't we just ban Atom and Jeana? What have they ever contributed to this blog?
*sniffs*
I can smell the victim blaming Atom...
It's alright if it's a man isn't it?
No (wo)man would ever lie about rape or are only Women that perfect and infallible?
You're just showing a very cold streak in not showing the same support for gwallan as you would any women.
What would your reaction be if we reversed roles? A man holding a woman by the crotch and telling her what he "could do" if she doesn't consent. Would you be asking her how she got into that situation?
Have you ever tried fighting off a drunk woman? Believe me when i say if they are intent on hurting you, there is very little you can do to stop them without hurting them, which will of course make you the bad guy because "she was drunk, female and weaker than you!". I've had abusive ex-girlfriends and trust me, they are not fun and it is impossible to get anyone to take it seriously when they decide to attack and scratch/bite/kick.
I got mauled in front of 5 friends and they just laughed and told us to get a room, if i'd done the same in return, i'd have been locked up.
Okay, Gwallan, let's go with your story .... She was twice your size and it was a hot day. I'm assuming that she attacked you "outside" and, because of her size, she was able to overpower you -- strip you of your shorts. Is that right? Believe me, I'm not fishing for salacious details. I just want some straight answers from you ... the same caliber of straight answers with which I reply to the cynics who question "me". Fair enough?
@ Anon - above my last post
They offer conversation and a view into the mind of our opposition.
Perspective is a useful tool.
gwallan:"Your demanding answers instead of answering the question I put originally is presumptuous and extremely voyeuristic on your part.
No. You don't get all the salacious detail. You don't get a detailed, blow by blow description."
That's an interesting observation you make gwallan. I've noticed on this site and others where men's rights are the main theme, female trolls appear and seem to constantly draw the conversation towards sex in some way or another (read a little of kis at the Spearhead).
I wonder if what we're seeing isn't so much the died-in-the-wool political feminists, but female perverts fishing for titillation - and able to operate as they do because they fly under the radar, are covert and obscure their intent behind a barrage of offensive commentary about men being sexual offenders.
I mention this because I'm heartily sick of these sideshows into sex and sexual detail, and it is rarely men that initiate them.
Please, everybody humor me for a few minutes. I have an absolutely hysterically funny video to show you about the "porn" industry of yesterday. It's a PSA (public service announcement) made in the "1960s". I promise it will make you laugh.
http://www.ludzer.com/2007/07/22/anti-porn-psa-from-the-1960s/
@Atom
@Jeanna
I am ashamed to be a woman because of you two. If this continues YOU will also be caught in something like this. The you will FEEL what it is like to be falsely accused and LIVE through the pain of it all.
I am disgusted with the both of you!
Oh btw, I have always been ambitious and made a way for myself until all this hell broke loose. I am NOT a meek little housewife who bows at her man desires. We are equals, like it's supposed to be (if the woman is sane). Who wears the pants in our family? We each have a leg and share the rest.
CBGirl
CBgirl, i think Jeana is sitting on the beach in Maui as we speak -- with her laptop. Let's not talk about her behind her back. She might smack me.
She's probably ordering her poor husband around as she sips her pina coulada thru one of those fat straws with an umbrella.
She's a frivolous creature for sure, but don't tell her I said so.
I wonder if what we're seeing isn't so much the died-in-the-wool political feminists, but female perverts fishing for titillation - and able to operate as they do because they fly under the radar, are covert and obscure their intent behind a barrage of offensive commentary about men being sexual offenders.
They're able to because God forbid they should be banned! The real MRAs just have to put up with the trolls and their idiocy.
Atom said...
You didn't answer my two legitimate questions!
Oct 25, 2009 5:36:00 PM
Are you aware that you are revictimizing a victim?
" How many innocent people are going to be in prison because of this? "
How many innocent men are in prison because of this?
@Atom...
You have all you will get apart from it being inside my home and exactly ten years ago next Saturday.
You merely compound your misstep through further installment.
Regarding your own experience you should note that I have never expressed any doubt or questioned you in any way regarding it.
Furthermore I have defended you on several occasions in the past. In fact I've openly empathised with the angst you clearly experience. It's very like mine you know.
I will point you to the fact that I framed my admission as a question. A query you ignored when you, instead, questioned my veracity. It was already an abusive relationship from which I should have removed myself months earlier. There wasn't enough room on the continent for this woman's hatred of her ex husband. That event merely broke the camel's back. But the truth of it, ultimately, is moot as it was merely meant to form the basis of a question.
The anonymous poster at 10:24:00 AM packaged up my dilemna in a way I hadn't previously. Apart from a brief non committal(on my part) phone call from her two days later I had no further contact with the woman. Given her hatred for her ex and her willingness to broadcast it I did wonder later what she might be saying about me. Never considered a false accusation being part of that.
Fundamental truth Atom. I am not a woman. I do not and will not revel in each and every agonising detail. The folk who can deal effectively with that detail have it. You have no need or right.
Okay, Gwallan, this morning as I reviewed our posts, particularly your last one, I realize the answers are none of my business.
The reason I drilled you was because it is difficult for me to imagine a woman overpowering a man, considering size and strength.
Accept my apology?
Atom said...
Okay, Gwallan, this morning as I reviewed our posts, particularly your last one, I realize the answers are none of my business.
The reason I drilled you was because it is difficult for me to imagine a woman overpowering a man, considering size and strength.
Atom, have you seen how small some guys are and how large some women are?
Fuck off atom.
@3:23, yes of course, but not usually together. Normally the male is larger and stronger than the female. At least that would be the senario in a "college" environment ... in a case of "he said, she said".
Fuck off Atom.
@Atom...
Size and strength is actually a secondary issue where abuse is concerned.
Primary to it is a willingness to actually behave abusively or violently.
You may want to look up James Landrith, another man with an experience of being forced into sex by a woman. He was nineteen and a US marine - hardly somebody most people would expect to be a victim of a woman - at the time. Like myself he has been attacked relentlessly and quite viciously for the crime of admitting to a rape by a woman.
I represented my country as a javelin thrower in my early twenties. I was one of the strongest, most powerful, men you would ever meet. Partly due to a teenage pact with myself, I remain completely incapable of lashing out at anybody else. Even in self defense! You could genuinely kick the crap out of me and I would not be able to stop it. Perversely, if you were under similar attack I could, and would, very easily stop it.
My awareness of my own physical power is a significant part of what prevents me from using it against others unless in defense of others. If it's necessary to defend myself I'm incapable**. I know how much damage I could do. Understand that many, many men relate to women in this way. Additionally in my case my childhood experience left me incapable of dealing with women who are sexually aggressive. In essence it causes me to freeze up. Many female - and male - victims report the same. No flight or fight response to the aggression. Rabbit in headlights stuff.
(** Victims of both genders frequently engage in behaviours that are self harming - eg cutting - or neglectful. My GP was calling me anorexic and talking about eating disorders when he commented that if I was a woman he would be thinking I was a rape victim. He did a quick double take - he knew my family history - before ordering me to go to counselling. I'm now consistantly thirty pounds heavier than I was at the time. However I still neglect my own well being far too much. This neglect and the inablilty to defend oneself are part of the same package.)
Consider that among primary issues for victims are self imposed blame and a notion - mostly false - of external blame by others. When a raped woman is criticised for her attire or behaviour it has the effect of shifting blame from the perpetrator(s) to the victim. In other words "blaming the victim". Asserting that the male victim of a woman should be able to defend himself does the same thing. It blames the victim.
Atom, there is no need to apologise. You did not do those things to me. Your ignorance/prejudice is not merely your own. You are subject to the same influences that pervade our culture and distort the beliefs we apply to these issues. I went to counseling seven years ago with those very same prejudices. I went there thinking I was the only one in the universe. More than anything that is what was criminal about it.
In case nobody has ever said this to you - you are NOT responsible for what was done to you.
It wasn't your fault Atom.
The only thing that ever happened to that troll was her mama dropping her on the head.
I know your childhood history. During therapy, was it determined that this vulnerability carried over into adulthood? If so, it makes sense.
I agree with much of what you said, especially believing that YOU were the only one in the universe to have gone thru such a hideous ordeal. That's how I felt the morning after.
I still think because of the average man's size and strength, men, for the most part, are physically able to defend themselves. Women cannot generally overpower men.
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As we understand an undisclosed number of high society female of the Moscow and St. Petersburg already visited this saloon for hairdressing but also for the juicy details of the story.
The time to fly from Moscow to Kaluga by plane is six hours.
A thief raped 3 days in the raw by female hairdresser
A thief raped by hairdresserThe best examples that in Russia everything is hard are the latest news received in our redaction.
In the city of Kaluga, central Russia, an armed thief went to hairdressing saloon with a plan to make armed robbery. But the busy and quiet hairdresser girl, instead to obey the armed man and give the money, she took his weapon and with a marshal art move took him down. She was a tae kwon do martial art expert.
But this is not for a WC-NEWS if the story is not continuing in the most unexpected way!
Instead of reporting him to the Russian police, she took him down to the basement and then forced him to take a triple dosage of Viagra. After that she simply raped him.
She kept him in the basement for three days and during this time she had a sex with him more than 10 times.
After three days she told him that he is free to go.
He went straight to the police station and reported the whole case. After the reporting he went to the hospital where he was kept, because of severe genital problems.
For the police report, the girls state that the sex was consensual from the both sides.
In the short telephone interview, exclusively for WC-NEWS, she made the following statement.
- In three days we had a sex several times. I took a good care for him. I fed him on a regular base, I washed him and I even bought some new jeans for him. When he decides to live I give him some money.
The Russian public prosecutor decides to fill a case against both of them for an armed robbery and sexually related crime case too.
Why the thief went to police is a still mystery for everybody in the city of Kalyga. A week after this bizarre incident the whole city is still under an impression by the whole case. The hairdressing saloon is becoming a heart of the social life of the city and one of the greatest tourist attractions in this dull city.
As we understand an undisclosed number of high society female of the Moscow and St. Petersburg already visited this saloon for hairdressing but also for the juicy details of the story.
The time to fly from Moscow to Kaluga by plane is six hours.
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