We have a lot of catching up to d0 -- stories I've postponed to cover the Hofstra false rape claim (Steve is on vacation and he's going to kill me when he sees the backlog, but I thought the Hofstra story was critical.) In the meantime, here are some excerpts from some recent "news" items:
For example, there is this inanity: "Traitors to the cause of white male privilege, there are quite a few unsung men of feminist values in the world. So why aren’t we singing the praises of these too few good men? Patriarchy is a system that is a “beast” and doesn’t reward the boys that bite the hand that feeds it." http://www.pasadenaweekly.com/cms/story/detail/boys_bite_beast/7611/
And you know about the matriarchies, don't you? "The rules at Tumai [Kenya] are very simple. To live here, women have to be divorced. The women can live with their children, regardless of whether they are boys or girls. However sons, once they attain 16 years of age, will have to leave the village either to find jobs for themselves or migrate for higher studies. . . . . But despite liberating themselves from men, these women do not wish to be labelled as man haters. Clarifies Ferroukhi, 'These women are not against men. They are against cruelty and often violent attempts by the husband to dominate them.' . . . . It is Ferroukhi's sensitivity to the ideas of social justice that inspires her to study matriarchy. . . . She read about pre-historic societies before the practice of monotheistic religions which tended to be more egalitarian simply because women were in charge." http://newsblaze.com/story/20090825145518iwfs.nb/topstory.html
A writer addresses Kenyan men and boys: "I want to address this piece to men and boys, although I would love women and girls to read it too. I am writing to men and boys because they are the primary perpetrators of gender-based violence. They are socialised by patriarchy – rule by men – to abuse women, and to treat them as chattel." http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/Opinion/-/440808/647240/-/4n87op/-/
One of feminism's useful male idiots writes: "As a nation, it is vital that we ramp up efforts to educate boys and men about patriarchy, sexism, male privilege, and how men's violence against women is ultimately about men maintaining power and control over female bodies. . . . . Educating boys and men in prevention programs is one of the keys to drastically reducing all forms of gender violence. Men, this has to stop. Men's violence against women is pervasive worldwide, and we can no longer deflect this issue onto women as if they are the cause of the problem and should fix it by themselves. . . . ." http://thedailyvoice.com/voice/2009/09/abuse-unchecked-a-husband-shoo-1-002255.php
And then there's this insanity, that decries the "strategy" to say women are treated markedly better in the US than some other countries: "It's a strategy that offends feminists like me, who see a continuum between domestic violence at home and overseas, who could relate to the isolation that rape victims in these cultures feel and who see links between pay equity issues in the west and the belief that Kristof and WuDunn chronicle in many cultures that men deserve to own the higher payout crops and boys deserve more food." http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2009/sep/03/women-developing-world
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Browsing those links, it's easy to see how Hofstra could happen. We are living in an age of androphobia in which the most absurd accusations against men -- including men as a class; half of the human race -- are repeated as though they were perfectly acceptable.
Speaking of Hofstra, I was wondering -- did this false rape accuser have any ties to the campus feminists? Was she in a women's studies class?
Anon -- good question. Sounds like somebody "counseled" her, doesn't it?
I wouldn't go that far, but I am curious as to whether or not the campus feminists are now "she-heiling" her like the pro-castration crowd did at Duke.
LIE DETECTOR #1
A woman would never ever lie about rape.
FALSE
If you think about it, a common theme running through all these topics is indoctrination in the feminist way of thinking.
Regarding the last link, I have no problem saying that there is an enormous difference between oppression of women in the US and everywhere else. I think the problems we females have here pale in comparison to what females go through in some heinous countries.
But I agree with the author of that article about the role that the US has in oppression of women worldwide. We didn't allow any of our money to go to family planning if anyone mentioned the word "abortion". 1/3 of the $$ we gave for HIV/AIDS was for abstinence-only propaganda. We don't intervene when we should in certain cases, but we do when we want to use the plight of oppressed women to our advantage and to score political points. We "care" about women when it's convenient.
jeana, weana, peana, scenea, screama, meana, extremea....
Women have never been oppressed in the United States. The problem is that women have been so coddled in the West that they think somebody calling them ugly or fat is tantamount to widespread oppression.
Blacks were oppressed in the United States, they were rounded up and hung from trees by lynch mobs. Chinese and Irish immigrants were forced to become wage slaves for the railroad and often died trying to make pocket change to support their families with. Native Americans were deliberately infected with diseases they had no immunities to, and had their food supply hunted off so that they would starve to death,their remaining numbers were rounded up into concentration camps called "reservations" and deliberately kept in a state of poverty for decades.
THAT is oppression. Women in the West have never suffered anything CLOSE to oppression.
If being supported by someone else's labor for your entire life and still being able to bitch about it is oppression ,sign me the fuck up.
We "care" about women when it's convenient.
Who's this "we"? You're free to spend your time and money helping third world women all you want. Instead, feminists choose to fight the war against men in their home countries.
Women were never abused? Women were never raped? Women had rights and freedoms? Women could go and do as they please? Women didn’t have to get approval from men for virtually everything? Women never had to worry about finances, even if they didn’t work themselves? And women never worked? You’ve never heard of women and children working in factories just to survive? And when women were allowed to work in clerical jobs, they were never sexually harassed or molested? Women were never punished for stepping outside the acceptable norm of sexual behavior (i.e. when married, to have babies only)? And punished by being shunned, humiliated, and even raped as punishment.
And those examples you gave left off black female slaves being raped by slave owners and having their kids ripped from them and sold away. Native American females being raped, raped, and raped some more by white men.
I could go on, but it will fall on deaf ears.
And Anonymous,
“THAT is oppression.”
Do you think that men are oppressed in this country by women?
"Women were never abused? Women were never raped?"
None of these things amount to "oppression". There have always been laws on the books against abusing or raping women. By contrast, only recently did rape become legally defined as something a woman could do to a man in many countries.
"Women had rights and freedoms? Women could go and do as they please?"
During the time period you are talking about,women had the same rights and freedoms afforded to non-landowning males. When women's lib gave women the rights that landowners possessed,just because they were women, there was a period where women had more rights than many men.
"Women didn’t have to get approval from men for virtually everything?"
No. They had to have their husband sign off on their financial expenses,which was fair, because if a woman didn't pay a loan her HUSBAND went to jail for it.
"Women never had to worry about finances, even if they didn’t work themselves?"
That has nothing to do with one political class oppressing another. Women had the opportunity to farm their family's land to make money, and many did.
"And women never worked? You’ve never heard of women and children working in factories just to survive?"
Orphaned male children probably did this,but women don't HAVE to work to SURVIVE and never have. Any reasonably attractive woman can get a man to support her.
Men have to work to survive,because women refuse to support men for long periods of time.
"And when women were allowed to work in clerical jobs, they were never sexually harassed or molested?"
I would imagine some women have been actually sexually harassed on the job,as in repeatedly enduring comments of an overtly sexual nature everyday,all day. What qualifies as sexual harassment or molestation today is a look that a woman doesn't like.
If women ever were sexually harassed or molested on the job, men have more than paid their dues in lost jobs over an an innocent compliment or a look for the last 40 years.
"Women were never punished for stepping outside the acceptable norm of sexual behavior (i.e. when married, to have babies only)? And punished by being shunned, humiliated, and even raped as punishment."
None of this,which is mostly speculation mind you,was ever sanctioned by the U.S. government.
And no, I seriously doubt a woman has ever been raped for working instead of being a homemaker.
"And those examples you gave left off black female slaves being raped by slave owners and having their kids ripped from them and sold away."
All of that falls under the umbrella of oppression of black,which weren't considered human beings at the time. By contrast,women have always been considered human beings and the same slave owners that routinely raped and took away the children of blacks (not black WOMEN,as the child also belongs to the father. Or did you forget?) would find it unconscionable to do the same to a white person,because whites were considered human.
"Native American females being raped, raped, and raped some more by white men."
They were not raped because they were women,they were raped because they were Native American,and Native Americans were also not considered human beings.
"I could go on, but it will fall on deaf ears."
Yes,it will. Because your examples are bullshit.
I'm talking about political oppression,sanctioned by the government against classes of people and you're bringing up examples of hardships women faced that had nothing to do with not viewing women as human beings or wanting to restrict the rights of WOMEN per se, but blacks,Native Americans,non-landowners, and so on.
No women have ever been killed by the government of the United States, or allowed to be killed by the government of the United States, because they were women.
"Do you think that men are oppressed in this country by women?"
What do you think? You've stated that it's ok for a woman to make a false accusation that results in a man being beaten to death. Since there are no laws restricting that behavior when it is men who are dying, would you call that the political oppression of men by women?
Certainly feminism makes every woman who comes into contact with it a political ideologue, and no doubt, some of these men were falsely accused because they are men,with the attitude that,"hey, it's only men being hurt,so what's the problem?".
"And when women were allowed to work in clerical jobs, they were never sexually harassed or molested?"
Also, sexual harassment is not political oppression.
What do you think? You've stated that it's ok for a woman to make a false accusation that results in a man being beaten to death.
When did I ever say this? I believe what you’re referring to is I said that I didn’t think drunken females who lied about being raped to a guy who then decided to act on those idiots’ lies and beat a guy to death couldn’t be charged with a crime unless she reported that to the police, and even then I don’t know. I did say that you could say anything you wanted about them, but I didn’t think they could be charged with a crime. I don’t think that’s ok to do. I only can think of one example of it being ok to lie about rape and no examples of why it’s ok to like specifically about a man raping you. Because it is never ok for a man to take the fall for anything relating to making your life “easier” by pretending you’ve been raped.
Also, sexual harassment is not political oppression.
Unless it’s practiced and promoted by the state, I’ll agree with you.
Jeana, you yourself may never have said false rape is ok. However you were just spurting all the unresearched and unsupported or out of context lies that the people who DO condone it usually spout.
At the end of the day, while women tend to get the hard end of the stick abuse wise. It is not ALWAYS by men and it was almost NEVER legal (at least in the west, the middle east and east are a totally different matter).
Things will never be balanced in "the real world" because people are cruel by nature, both men and women. So measuring by the only "ideal" we can really hope to maintain (the law) men and women have been mostly equal for most of history and in places where they weren't it was counter balanced, women couldn't vote but also we given a lot more lenience in courts and other issues.
We can only hope to fix the law, otherwise bad people will always do bad things.
"Women are also the decision-makers. They control household finances and pass on their family name to their children. A family can be a clan of three generations of women and men directly related to each other. No person gets to own goods and property and no one accumulates more wealth than another. The relationship of father is not important and the mother, along with male members of her family, look after the children."
I think we're already close to this now.
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