So, young men, read this as a cautionary tale: some district attorneys are willing to roll the dice with your lives just to get a conviction, even when the issue of consent is a close one, and even when the evidence isn't clear, so long as he has a strong female witness willing to point the finger of guilt at you.
In a chilling verdict for any man who might engage in casual sex with an acquaintance, the Ramsey County District Court of Minnesota convicted Nathan Obeta for allegedly raping a 22-year-old woman in a he said-she said rape case. Mr. Obeta claims the sex was consensual. He has been in prison since May of 2008 and his anticipated release date is April 25, 2016. To put that in perspective, if President Obama is reelected to a second term, Mr. Obama will be in the final months of his presidency when Mr. Obeta finally emerges from prison under supervised release -- over a disputed sex act of a short duration. On August 25 of this year, a panel of the Minnesota Court of Appeals unanimously reversed and remanded for a new trial.
On April 25, 2007, the accuser and a female friend partied at the friend's home and, as young women around the world are wont to do, they invited two men over, Mr. Obeta, then 28, and his male friend. Early the next morning, the accuser left with the two men. Mr. Obeta's friend ran a stop sign and, for reasons not explained, the car was impounded. Therefter, the accuser, Mr. Obeta, his friend, and the car's owner sought to lawfully retrieve the car, which had been impounded, and the accuser called her former boyfriend, whom whe described as "abusive" and "jealous," for help. The former boyfriend joined the group, but became jealous when the accuser teased the other men by flashing them at least once. The accuser seemed to be enjoying herself. When the group had retreived the impounded car, the accuser decided to go with Mr. Obeta, his friend, and the car's owner instead of her former boyfriend. Testimony at trial was disputed as to whether the accuser asked to go home, and the men testified that the accuser was having a good time -- they said she was dancing, and she flashed them again.
Eventually, Mr. Obeta dropped everyone else off, and he pulled into a parking lot where he and the accuser had sex. She did not fight or scream, but she claims she told him to stop. He claims it was consensual. The two then argued about whether Mr. Obeta would drive her home, and Mr. Obeta testified that she threatened to tell the police that he had raped her if he did not give her a ride home. Mr. Obeta claimed the accuser laughed and walked away while he drove off. The accuser could not find a ride home, so she flagged down a police car and reported that she'd been raped. According to the decision of the Court of Appeals: "The officer testified that [the accuser] 'was very upset' and 'crying,' and that her 'shoulders were slumped forward.' [The accuser] was transported to the hospital, where she was examined by a sexual assault nurse. The nurse testified that [the accuser] was 'very upset, very quiet, shaking at times.' The nurse found several scratches on [the accuser's] back and arms, but she did not discover any injuries to [her] vaginal area."
Mr. Obeta was convicted, and incarcerated. Some 15 months after he was incarcerated, the state's Court of Appeals reversed, finding that Mr. Obeta was deprived of a fair trial. The court characterized the trial as a "close credibility contest" involving "a great deal of conflicting testimony" and the evidence of Mr. Obeta's guilt "was not overwhelming."
Now, for those penis-bearing readers, stop right there and wipe the cold sweat from your brow. Ask yourself how that makes you feel -- that a man can be sent to prison for many years on a close "he said-she said" dispute involving a great deal of conflicting evidence.
At trial, the court allowed the nurse to testify about common injuries to and characteristics of sexual assault victims, and to imply that because the accuser fit those characteristics she was such a victim. ". . . the nurse and the detective were allowed to testify that, based on their experience, most women who are assaulted 'have significant fear and don't fight back,' that 'they just lay there and wait for it to be over with for fear of being injured more,' and that 'there's a delay' in reporting in 'the majority' of sexual assault cases . . . ." On appeal, the court said the trial court erred: "Because matters of witness credibility are generally within the competence and common experience of most jurors, the use of an expert's opinion to bolster the credibility of a witness is discouraged. . . . . This is particularly true in cases involving sexual assault of an adult victim when the issue is consent; the state may not present testimony on typical reactions or experiences of rape victims. . . . . '[S]uch testimony is of no help to the jury' because it is irrelevant whether the alleged victim 'react[s] in a typical manner to the incident,' and she 'need not display the typical post-rape symptoms . . . to convince the jury that her view of the facts is the truth.' Id. at 229."
The trial court also erred in refusing to allow evidence of the accuser's prior report of an assault against her former boyfriend, which the appeals court said "is potentially . . . relevant because of [Mr. Obeta's] claim that [the accuser] threatened to report him for rape if he refused to drive her home, which paralleled her apparent false claim of assault against [her former boyfriend]." (Emphasis added.)
That was not admissible at trial? Wow!
The trial court also erred in admitting into evidence the accuser's audiotape statement to the nurse, which was, in important respects, inconsistent with her trial testimony, including the assertion that Mr. Obeta put his hand over her mouth during the assault to prevent her from screaming. At trial, the accuser testified that she did not resist.
The cumulative effect of all this denied Mr. Obeta a fair trial, so he'll need to go through the entire thing all over again. He will keep reliving those fateful few moments when he and the accuser had sex. I am certain Mr. Obeta would do it differently if he could do it over. In light of the evidence, it is astounding that this matter was sent to trial. It would be even more astounding that a conviction was obtained if it weren't for the trial court's rulings that deprived Mr. Obeta of a fair trial.
So, young men, read this as a cautionary tale: some district attorneys are willing to roll the dice with your lives just to get a conviction, even when the issue of consent is a close one, and even when the evidence isn't clear, so long as he has a strong female witness willing to point the finger of guilt at you.
Frightening, don't you think?
Find the case at: 2009 Minn. App. Unpub. LEXIS 966 -- Link: http://falserapearchives.blogspot.com/2009/09/state-of-minnesota-vs-obeta.html
Monday, September 7, 2009
Anatomy of a rape case where a man was sent to prison over a disputed claim of consensual sex
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"Because matters of witness credibility are generally within the competence and common experience of most jurors,
And there is the problem: "most jurors" (meaning the ones without psychic powers) do NOT have the "competence and common experience" to tell who is lying and who is telling the truth. Most jurors will misinterpret the defendent's emotions or lack of emotions as proof of guilt (no matter how he acts, he "looks guilty") while accepting the "victim's" melodramatic body language and crying as evidence.
And judges really aren't any better at spotting a liar than the average person, either, so she said/he said can never be proof beyond a reasonable doubt. Add to this the extreme unlikelihood of a rape not causing vaginal injuries and you have proof beyond a reasonable doubt that twelve people are idiots.
As usual, the motto is NO EVIDENCE? NO PROBLEM.
And the "rape nurse" is always willing to make things up to bolster a case. That happened in the Duke Lacrosse case, where overwhelming physical evidence of INNOCENCE existed.
And keep in mind that some vaginal tearing is to be expected even during consensual intercourse. The lining of the vagina is very thin and fragile, so if there weren't any tears it's very hard for a reasonable person to conclude that a rape happened. She must have been very well lubricated if there was no injury at all.
"The trial court also erred in refusing to allow evidence of the accuser's prior report of an assault against her former boyfriend"
Was this an "error", or merely in keeping with MN's Rape Shield Laws.
On an earlier thread, I posted the opinion of the Colorado Supreme Court in regards to a very similar effort "pierce" the rape shield with similar previous false allegations as a way of demonstrating just how high the threshold for admitting evidence of prior false allegations has been set (in CO, anyway).
As far as Rape Shield Laws go, all states tend to follow the lead of other states any time it will lead to a "strengthening" of those laws.
You want frightening?
I was arrested ( not charged yet, 2 months later, still waiting ) not for " he said, she said" but, according to the Police themselves during my interview...
MY ACCUSER ADMITS THAT OUR 7 YEAR SEXUAL RELATIONSHIOP WAS ALWAYS CONSENSUAL.
It is the POLICE (cannot stress that fucking point enough, everything starts with the POLICE) and in this case that means feminazi female specialist sexual case detective, who wasn't happy with that, so they are / were trying to claim that ALTHOUGH CONSENT WAS GIVEN, for SEVEN FUCKING YEARS, that consent was somehow "manufactured" via the disparity in "power" between her and me in our relationship.
This is the UK by the way.
Anon for obvious reasons
(rapidly becoming my sig here)
slwerner, error. Five years ago many states did not have the false claim exception to the Rape Shield Laws. Fortunately, the trend is to allow that exception now.
P.S. I stuck the case up in our archives -- and added a link at the bottom of the post.
Anon at 3:51: even in the UK that is a travesty unsupported by any law except in the mind of a radical feminist.
The first problem is proving that the previous assault report was a false claim. That's hard to do if she didn't admit to making it up.
And often the system wants to prosecute anyway, even when she has admitted to making it all up. It isn't enough to just enable the liar; they also have to keep the lies on life support even after the criminal has pulled the plug.
The UK does have a much higher acquital rate than the US, so you should be good.
No man or boy will get a fair trial, whlie the gender feminist law enforcement misiformation Alliance is allowed to continue to spread faulty and inflamatory misinformation.
The 2% false rape accusation misinformation, creates a prejudice against innocent men/boys.
Anon, i feel yer powerlessness over a perverted law enforcement juggernaut. I was also falselly acussed of a rape THAT SIMPLY NEVER HAPPENED, and watched the perverts in action as they desperately tried to make me plead guilty to a lessor charge.
"So, young men, read this as a cautionary tale: some district attorneys are willing to roll the dice with your lives just to get a conviction, even when the issue of consent is a close one, and even when the evidence isn't clear, so long as he has a strong female witness willing to point the finger of guilt at you."
Gee I hate to be the cynic here, but do you know what? Asexuality is looking better and better all the time.
Heterosexuality is getting more and more complicated everyday.
Archivist and Anon @ 4:06.
Bet you ass it is a travesty, but "I should be good"???
Dude, I shouldn't even have been arrested, and trust me, I'm not sitting here thinking there is no way I could go to prison, no way I should, yeah, no way I could, it don't feel like it...
My point about IT ALL STARTS WITH THE POLICE, together with my earlier point in a different threat about the feminist agenda being THE EFFECTIVE MO to change society (QED) go together.
You guys who have never "been there" REALLY, REALLY, REALLY need to get this point.
IT ALL STARTS WITH THE POLICE
It really does, the response of the POLICE is what determines the ENTIRE course of the case from that point.
The bit you should crap yourself about here is that the POLICE are not controlled by LAW, the POLICE are controlled by policies set by the STATE.
Policies set by the STATE are influenced / steered / controlled by the feminist agenda.
Right there is why false rape claims happen, and false convictions happen.
Not the prosecuting solicitor, not the judge, not the jury, not the press, not even the false accuser.
Hear this from someone at ground zero.
Anon for obvious reasons
All true. As we say in the States -- been there, done that!
"Anon for obvious reasons" here again...
My arrest, and POLICE effort all boiled down to one main point, if I had flunked that point, I would not now be at liberty typing this, I would be in jail on remand, and that REALLY fucks your odds on the day of trial....
The one point was this.
POLICE were betting that I would DENY having been in a sexual relationship witk accuser #1, who was 23, because accuser #2 was 44, and mother of accuser #1
While I was in custody, POLICE removed everything from my home, including the BED LINEN.
If, as I WOULD HAVE DONE, not to lie, but just to make myself sound like a decent guy so I could GET OUT OF THERE, I had denied a sexual relationship with accuser #1, right there was a DNA provable lie.
"He lied about having sex"
"Therefore, he is lying about rape too."
Guys, take as gospel the stuff in Pierce's sidebar, talking to a SPECIALIST rape lawyer before I would say a word to the POLICE is ALL that stopped me telling that little white lie.....
Read that last paragraph at least 10 times.
Also, luckily for me, I had been sent a link not two months before to a YouTube video titled something like "Do not talk to the police" which was presented by a Law professor and a Detective, to a class of Law students.
Found it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8z7NC5sgik
cheers
Anon for obvious reasons
"some district attorneys are willing to roll the dice with your lives just to get a conviction"
You are suggesting that the district atty, in this case, did not believe his client, and that he was just out for the kill?
Again, men, listen up:
DO NOT ENGAGE in one-night stands. Keep your weenies tucked! Why is that so difficult for men to understand? If you have sex with a stranger, don't expect to get off the hook by claiming it was consensual. That excuse is getting trite.
"... the nurse found several scratches on [the accuser's] back and arms, but she did not discover any injuries to [her] vaginal area."
The absence of vaginal tearing is a moot point. The SCRATCHES on the victim's body is a crucial part of evidence that she was raped.
Do you think the police officer's initial report was a lie?
"She did not fight or scream"
Many victims do not fight or scream, nor do they immediately report to the police that they have been raped.
And, yes, a witness's credibility is generally within the competence and common experience of most jurors. Otherwise, our entire system is defunct.
Happy Labor Day.
Atom
Anon at 9:45: The alleged victim, of course, is not the District Attorney's "client." Moreover, your suggestion that the defense of "consent" is trite merits no serious response. Nor does your victim blaming -- go on a feminist site and lecture women they need to avoid sexual encounters because they are "asking" to be raped and watch what happens to you. Moreover, the scratches indicate nothing, especially in the context of this case where the alleged victim admitted there was no struggle.
If your comment was intended to be tongue in cheek, you need to work at that a little. If not, you are the worst kind of misandrist, and a fairly stupid person to boot.
Evidence of an intact pussy is irrelevant but a few scratches on her body -- that she could have gotten from just about anything, including herself -- are irrefutable proof of rape?
Fuck you, man-hater. Everything you have ever said on this blog amounts to men=evil and just take the cops' word for it. There isn't a shred of logic or decency in you.
Can you imagine how this idiot would change his mind if that were him being accused of rape by a non-credible woman? These hypocrites are always happy to railroad OTHER people.
Calling her the DA's "client" says it all, doesn't it? That's exactly how they treat the situation, too. Say or do anything to get a conviction no matter what; stonewall any attempt to overturn an unjust conviction. It's all about lies and corruption and class warfare.
Anon at 9:45: May your son and your father be falsely accused of rape.
And, yes, a witness's credibility is generally within the competence and common experience of most jurors. Otherwise, our entire system is defunct.
No, that doesn't follow logically from that. Why would it?
Anon @ 9:45 said: If you have sex with a stranger, don't expect to get off the hook by claiming it was consensual.
Sex with a stranger does NOT equal rape!
What planet do you live on?
Again, men, listen up:
DO NOT ENGAGE in one-night stands. Keep your weenies tucked!
Why should men enjoy less sexual freedom from women, especially considering that traditionally men enjoy more? If that was the way things worked for centuries then why shouldn't it still be that way? This is nothing less than feminist terrorism.
This anonymous poster must resent all men who can still get it up. Amazing that anybody would rejoice in false accusations because that might deter men from busting a nut during consensual sex.
Sonya: best point yet.
This also tells us something about the public's attitude on the issue, since the jury is (I assume) composed the the defendant's 'peers'. I wonder if the jury was mainly women? It certainly sounds like it.
@anon,
"judges really aren't any better at spotting a liar than the average person, either, so she said/he said can never be proof beyond a reasonable doubt. "
Yes, there have been studies done that show judges and police officers are not any better at telling whether someone is being truthful or not, than anyone else. I read that in a college psychology text quite some time ago.
"Again, men, listen up:
DO NOT ENGAGE in one-night stands"
I'm not sure you guys are recoginizing what the bottom line mentality is here...this is part and parcel of radical feminists' attempt to separate the sexes.
My research apart from the judicial decision shows that the defendant is black. Although we are loathe to admit it, most experts think this still does play a role in unfair convictions in many jurisdictions (just as being a WHITE male played a role in the unfair charges against three Duke U. boys in Durham). I don't discount the racial element but generally don't dwell on it because black or white, they are all our brothers. And what the falsely accused have in common is a penis.
Sorry, I misspoke. She was not the DA's "client".
Archivist:
" ... the scratches indicate nothing, especially in the context of this case where the alleged victim admitted there was no struggle."
Then how did she sustain these injuries? Yes, the victim admitted there was no struggle, you cannot be naive enough to believe all rape victims put up a struggle. Many are terrified into silence.
By the way, did Obeta just leave her somewhere on the street before the police officer found her wandering?
Did her ex-boyfriend actually testify against her?
Too many facts are missing here, but on the surface, I'd say this guy is guilty.
Not only that, this case ties in perfectly with the excerpt I referenced yesterday -- which nobody read.
Atom
As for jury composition, I've seen studies showing women favor good looking defendants in rape cases; that older women are very tough on young women accusers. We reported yesterday on the case of Austen Donnellan -- remember he was found not guilty by a jury of nine women and two men who deliberated for just more than an hour.
The fact is, most juries do get it right. Small consolation for the ones who get it wrong. The real problem in the false rape claim tableau is being wrongly charged -- which often leads to a plea bargain. Even being charged and named is terrible, especially if your name gets in the newspaper. Forty years from now a prospective employer would only need to Google your name to learn about the charge -- and a man accused of rape is damaged goods to most employers.
Then how did she sustain these injuries?
What injuries? She didn't have any injuries. I and you and everybody who lives has superficials scratches on their bodies. Where you raped recently?
Where are the bruises, the cavity injuries, the evidence of a rape? Nowhere. And yet a moron like you concludes "I'd say this guy's guilty." This is why so many innocent men are in prison.
And this is yet another example of why WE MUST PUNISH FALSE ACCUSERS. Too many idiots will sink to any depth to keep a false accusation alive, for no reason other than their own prudery or sadistic pleasure.
Atom asked how she got the scratches.
Gee, Atom, she could have made them herself. And guess what? If she did scratch herself, she'd be following in the footsteps of innumerable false rape accusers in the past.
"[Y]ou cannot be naive enough to believe all rape victims put up a struggle. Many are terrified into silence."
And you cannot be naive enough to think that a young woman bent on falsely accusing a man of rape can't manufacture a few scratches.
In any event, I never said that rape victims invariably put up a struggle - you know that's not the point here. You have twisted my words to create a straw man so you can "win" your argument. That is disingenuous even for a radical feminist.
As for what happened in the case, go read it -- it's linked at the bottom of the post. I think I would side with three learned judges on the appellate court who are NOT willing to say this guy is guilty.
Yes, there have been studies done that show judges and police officers are not any better at telling whether someone is being truthful or not, than anyone else. I read that in a college psychology text quite some time ago.
That's right, and what also has been well established is that people always overestimate their ability to determine if they're being lied to. Other people -- like this Atom cretin -- just can't imagine that an innocent man could be charged with rape. The default for idiots is to believe an accusation for no reason. It takes intelligence to disbelieve a rape charge, and many people just aren't very intelligent.
Atom, if your excerpt is intended to show me that rape happens -- newsflash: I know it does. We don't pretend to tell the entire rape story here. There are innumerable sites that help victims of rape -- most of which, unfortunately, think they need to wrongly deny the existence of false rape claims to raise awareness about rape. There are all sorts of reasons they think this way, none of them good, and I don't have time to chronicle them right now. Suffice it to say that their denials have been debunked by every serious, unbiased scholar who has ever looked at the issue.
Since you seem to be interested in spreading ideology as opposed to information, might I suggest you go to one of those rape sites where you can preach without hindrance your denial of false rape claims. This particular site is frequented by many men who were falsely accused of rape, and your comments likely are triggering for some of them. That's downright wrong, by any measure. I would hate for my readers to go to a site frequented by rape victims and preach that all women lie about rape, and by the same token, I don't want people to come here who deny my readers' victimization. Seriously, have some respect for people's sensibilities.
Actually, I'm not convinced that Atom is a feminist, or even has a conscious ideology. Atom strikes me as just being a typical credulous moron who can't wait to believe the worst about young men because he's jealous of them. It isn't that he doesn't care about the rights of innocent men -- he just has no concept of rights whatsoever. The idea that it could just as easily be him or a friend or relative sitting in that courtroom being railroaded by a liar will never enter his head unless the same thing happens to him.
This irrationality and lack of empathy isn't necessarily the result of feminist indoctrination, but is rather the way people naturally act when they have no moral foundation. Unless taught to think otherwise, people default to blind moronic authoritarianism, just like the German people of the 1930's.
I'll also point out that I don't think most feminists would resort to some of the despicable arguments that Atom has made here. There are many things that feminists deserve to be heavily criticized for, but at least most of them wouldn't argue that false rape accusations are a great way of deterring men from having consensual sex. They at least pretend to believe that a rape really happened.
" Ask yourself how that makes you feel -- that a man can be sent to prison for many years on a close "he said-she said" dispute involving a great deal of conflicting evidence "
I don't find it surprising at all.
Though I wasn't accused of a sexually violent crime, I was falsely accused of waving a gun at a woman. A thorough investigation revealed no weapon ever existed. The woman claimed at the time she called the police to be "in imminent fear for my life" yet, at the preliminary hearing, her exact words to the prosecutor were, when asked if she felt threatened by the gun she alleged I waved at her, she simply replied " well, no, not really".
The DA's office and the prosecutor Kathy Morante still sought a class c felony conviction against me all based on the woman's word. I do not find it surprising at all that he was convicted in a "he said, she said case.
Norm said...
This also tells us something about the public's attitude on the issue, since the jury is (I assume) composed the the defendant's 'peers'. I wonder if the jury was mainly women? It certainly sounds like it.
Interesting Norm. One also might consider who the citizens are who composed as a jury of one's "peers".
Who are a drug dealers peers?
Who are the peers of a bank robber?
Main Entry: 1peer
Pronunciation: \ˈpir\
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Anglo-French per, from per, adjective, equal, from Latin par
Date: 13th century
1 : one that is of equal standing with another : equal; especially : one belonging to the same societal group especially based on age, grade, or status
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/peer
I;m not intending to be a smartass, I just thought I'd point this out.
This man should sue this bitch for every cent she has.
Archivist said...
Anon at 3:51: even in the UK that is a travesty unsupported by any law except in the mind of a radical feminist.
There are also their supporters/enablers/cohorts
http://www.amnestyusa.org/violence-against-women/international-violence-against-women-act/page.do?id=1051201
http://www.amnestyusa.org/violence-against-women/international-violence-against-women-act/i-vawa-background-and-resources/page.do?id=1051154
and they have an unknown number of opposers
http://www.mediaradar.org/why_ivawa200801_campaign.php
" These hypocrites are always happy to railroad OTHER people. " sounds like someone from Tennessee; " the woman's state "
"some district attorneys are willing to roll the dice with your lives just to get a conviction"
I'm proof of this as the prosecutor who was gunning for a conviction against me while she and the state of Tennessee ignored the " victim's" recantation of being in imminent fear for her life.
Simply being within a woman's sight is a great risk.
Archivist said...
" I don't discount the racial element but generally don't dwell on it because black or white, they are all our brothers. And what the falsely accused have in common is a penis. " and testosterone.
Here is a new one; "gender profiling". I believe it follows "gender crimination"
Anonymous said...
Sorry, I misspoke. She was not the DA's "client".
The way some DAs treat victims and " victims, you would think that either is their client.
Archivist:
" ... the scratches indicate nothing, especially in the context of this case where the alleged victim admitted there was no struggle."
" you cannot be naive enough to believe all rape victims put up a struggle. Many are terrified into silence. "
The same can honestly be said for anyone falsely accused of and, attacked by the system for a sexually violent or other violent crime.
Some not, who are not aware of their rights are scammed into accepting plea bargains.
Anonymous said...
" No man or boy will get a fair trial, "
As a public defender told me; " Here in the state of Tennessee, there is no constitutional requirement for a fair and speedy trail, only a speedy trial, that means the trial MUST take place within the two year limit for keeping anyone in jail. The public defender's name Jonathan Levy (esq?)
Anonymous said...
"Too many facts are missing here, but on the surface, I'd say this guy is guilty."
You aren't a member of a grand jury are you?
I've heard attorney's tell their clients " the grand jury would indict a ham sandwhich"
ANON at 8:02 am said: Here is a new one; "gender profiling". I believe it follows "gender crimination"
Nothing new about that one. This entire blog takes that as a given.
Is this statement correct? Surely the inconsistency would act in Mr. Obeta's favour?
"The trial court also erred in admitting into evidence the accuser's audiotape statement to the nurse, which was, in important respects, inconsistent with her trial testimony, including the assertion that Mr. Obeta put his hand over her mouth during the assault to prevent her from screaming. At trial, the accuser testified that she did not resist.
"
Anon at 9:05: Defense counsel doesn't want the audio admitted because the jury is going to assume it is more truthful -- since it was recorded closer in time the alleged event.
Logic in action is an awe-inspiraing thing:
1- The lack of vaginal tearing is because the "victim" didn't struggle -- rape victims are often too terrified to put up a fight!
2- This lack of evidence in no way detracts from the credibility of the accusation!
3- And even though the victim didn't struggle, those scratches prove that there was a struggle, so there was also a rape! Guilty! He did it!
It sure is convenient when you can just forget what A and B were and still make it to C and D!
Scratches on the back mean nothing. I once new a girl who liked to be scratched on her back - it turned her on.
I never actually broke the skin, but I can see how somebody might do that in the "throws of passion".
MENS REALITY QUIZ #2
Q: Why would any woman knowingly falsify a rape?
A: Because she can.
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