Saturday, September 19, 2009

Hofstra false rape case: The plight of the falsely accused on the cover of the NY Post

50 comments:

Anonymous said...

pierce and steven..pat you're self on the back..because you played a role in "Raising awareness"
God bless you!!

scott said...

I am reading the new york post from here on out.

Anonymous said...

"Smeared for life" says it all. But at least now these boys will have this New York Post article to show people what happened. Sometimes men are smeared on page 1 and cleared on page 14 -- thank God that's not what's happening here.

Anonymous said...

And, finally, a crack appears in the wall of denial.

Good work, gentlemen.

Anonymous said...

Looks like we may be seeing the light at the end of the tunnel.

This is very encouraging.

Hopefully, more people will be willing to step forward with these kinds of stories as time goes on.

jeana said...

Why would they be smeared, exactly? It seems perfectly clear that they are not guilty. Those sailors a few posts back who admitted to rape & murder and got out on a technicality (one of them), they are smeared. Because there's lots o' doubt. But not these guys. I think they'll be just fine.

But I was wondering one thing: how come Pierce the Lawyer doesn't ever appear on tv talking about these things? Glenn Sacks is on in a million places. Why not Pierce? Is it because he turns into the Hulk when he starts talking about these things? If so, take a Valium before the show. I don't actually watch tv, but I'd love to see Pierce give his opinion.

Anonymous said...

This is a major development in breaking through the media curtain of women-can-do-no-wrong journalism.

But the real break will be when the photo of the false accuser appears on the front page. When women get subjected to the same shaming that all men are currently subjected to if they transgress, then they will have finally been dragged out of their current state of semi-infancy and become adults.

Sometimes you've got to be hard to be kind.

Pierce Harlan said...

Remember, Anon 10:05, that Crystal Gail Mangum was on the cover of the Post.

The reason these young men were"smeared for life," Jeana, is because of people like you, people who, for example, insisted "something must have happened" in the Duke lacrosse house. On one of the radical screaming banshee sites last night I noticed one of the brilliant commentators wondering if Hofstra wasn't a real rape. Those nitwits are constantly fanning the flames of rape hysteria with the goal of slandering an entire gender (and retaining "victim" status for the other gender), and this shit filters through to the general public -- planting seeds of doubt in their heads that "maybe something happened."

Anonymous said...

LIE DETECTOR #6

When a man is charged with rape he is considered innocent until proven guilty.

FALSE

Anonymous said...

"Why would they be smeared, exactly?"

Because of the politicized nature of rape in contemporary society. Before any man is ever charged with a crime the media is reporting on an alleged rape as though it were an actual rape. They speculate about motives,accomplices, and use every new rape allegation as a way to say "See,this is how men act.".

Then, when they are formally cleared. The newspapers and tv reporters follow up by telling us the myth that rapists are getting away with rape right and left and lead people to believe that the exonerated victims of false rape allegations "may be among them".

Feminists go on tv,write articles and blogs about how suspicious it is that this girl recanted her story,out of the feminist belief that only 2% of rape claims are false.


This leads friends,acquaintances, relatives,employers and significant others of the false rape claim victim to wonder whether these men really WERE guilty of rape.

Yes, those who are falsely accused of rape carry around the stigma of being a "rapist" for THE REST OF THEIR LIVES. Sometimes, their lives are even cut short by vigilantes who feel it is their duty to correct a "miscarriage of justice" out of the belief of another piece of feminist dogma, that women "don't lie about rape". Therefore,they "must be guilty".


It is obvious you are not a man and don't know any men very closely,because if you were/did, you wouldn't have to ask how they were "smeared for life". You would know from personal experience or know someone who did.

jeana said...

"This leads friends,acquaintances, relatives,employers and significant others of the false rape claim victim to wonder whether these men really WERE guilty of rape."

I do wonder. You're right. If someone's arrested, you think, there must be a reason. But these guys were on tape. And it happened so quickly that really, not many people had time to really believe one way or another. These guys were lucky. They really would have had problems if that one person didn't record things.

jeana said...

"Yes, those who are falsely accused of rape carry around the stigma of being a "rapist" for THE REST OF THEIR LIVES."

Is this actually true? I mean, if a female admits she was lying, then that must be much different for the guy from a guy who was found "not guilty" but the woman still maintains guilt.

I don't know anyone who was accused of rape, false or otherwise.

jeana said...

And Pierce didn't answer my other question. I will assume he is shy.

Anonymous said...

Is this actually true? I mean, if a female admits she was lying, then that must be much different for the guy from a guy who was found "not guilty" but the woman still maintains guilt.
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Yes, it is true. All that matters to most people is that there was a rape charge.

MarkyMark said...

Guys,

Great job on this! The Lace Curtain is showing tears thanks to your efforts...

MarkyMark

Anonymous said...

"Is this actually true? I mean, if a female admits she was lying, then that must be much different for the guy from a guy who was found "not guilty" but the woman still maintains guilt."

It is absolutely true.

All it takes for a man to be a rapist in the eyes of most people is to appear on the front page of a newspaper in handcuffs with the caption "(Name)arrested on suspicion of sexual assault".

Of course it doesn't help when the article,usually written by a female journalist, encourages that belief by declaring that he is guilty of a crime before he ever sets foot in court.Such is overwhelmingly the tone of these stories,when covered by the mainstream media.

gwallan said...

@jeana...

Glenn Sacks had a media - radio - presence prior to starting his blog.

You should be aware of this jeana.

jeana said...

gwallan,

No, I don't know his entire history. Before his blog, after, what's the difference?

But it is interesting to hear about the stigma men bear, according to you guys, if they were found not guilty. I really never knew that. I thought people want to believe men are innocent and so always side with them. Especially if they don't go to jail.

Anonymous said...

"I thought people want to believe men are innocent and so always side with them. Especially if they don't go to jail."

Wow, you have been living under a rock.

Ever watch the show COPS,jeana? Have you ever heard them say "We got the bad girl."? No. What do you always hear the cops say when they catch the "perp"?

Say it with me now:

"We had a lot of trouble, but we finally caught the bad GUY."

Pierce Harlan said...

People always side with the person portrayed as the victim, the woman. Feminists spend their entire existence promoting the woman-as-victim myth.

gwallan said...

@jeana...

Glenn could almost have been described as a media personality BEFORE he started his blog.

Pierce has had neither the time nor the direct access to the mainstream media that Glenn Sacks has had.

You asked the question. I can't answer it in fewer syllables.

As for stigma look up the names of any of the three Duke accused. They will forever see the word "rape" come up against their name.

Personally I don't have an oar in that water apart from observing that the victims of false allegations often have similar long term problems to actual sexual assault victims.

In the Hofstra case, given what appears to have actually happened, the false accuser should be charged with the equivalent of kidnapping and false imprisonment.

Anonymous said...

I thought people want to believe men are innocent and so always side with them. Especially if they don't go to jail.

Nope! They want to believe the worst about them, so that they can feel superior.

Anonymous said...

Enabling false rape accusations will be a stain on American history, just like the hanging / lynching of the black man for rape accusations is also a stain on American history. Jeanna is a stain on American history.

Anonymous said...

TODAY'S MATH LESSON:

1. jeanaFeminaziTroll + false rape support = 0

2. jeanaFeminaziTroll + men's rights' support = 0

Anonymous said...

LIE DETECTOR #15

When a man is recovering from a false rape accusation his church is always supportive.

FALSE

jeana said...

Comparing me to someone who would lynch is offensive. Remember, it’s the more conservative people who hate groups and hurt because of their ideology.

Re: lie detector #15:

What does that mean? Please explain.

Anonymous said...

It isn't just "conservative groups" that hate. Were the communists under Stalin "conservative?"

And you have come right out and said that false rape accusations are fine under some circumstances, for example when a woman has to lie if she wants to get an abortion. Don't expect to take positions like that without being called on it.

Norm said...

it means that a man's church is generally not supportive of him when he is recovering from a false rape accusation. WTF is the problem...read much?

It has recently dawned on me that people like jeana who are trolls on men's rights boards, may actually believe they are affecting the movement in some significant way if they sidetrack a couple discussions on one one of the boards, or introduce an element of havoc into a discussion, or etc. The DSM calls this "grandiose thinking" - it is essentially delusional, and is often symptom of manic-deressive disorder.

In fact, that would be in line with jeana's other behaviors, such as periodically spewing forth nonsensical rants, changing from enraged to calm and back very quickly, etc.

Norm said...

the above should say, "is often a symptom of manic-depressive disorder"

jeana said...

Norm,

Such negativity. And so typical. I CAN read. I READ what that guy said. I wanted more explanation. I wanted to know what he meant. Why wouldn’t a church forgive a man? Aren’t they into forgiveness? Shouldn’t they help someone who needs help? They have groups for females who had abortions, and we know how they feel about that. Did that person have personal experience with this situation?

Some of you people just like to deal with things on a superficial level. Sorry for asking for more information. Oh wait, no I’m not.

jeana said...

It isn't just "conservative groups" that hate. Were the communists under Stalin "conservative?"

You’re right. But I’m not a hater. I should have left it at that.

And you have come right out and said that false rape accusations are fine under some circumstances, for example when a woman has to lie if she wants to get an abortion. Don't expect to take positions like that without being called on it.

Yes, I still agree with that, although it is not ok to specifically accuse a guy of rape in order to get an abortion. Never ok to accuse a guy for any reason. But it is ok to say that you were raped in an alley when there’s no way a guy could be charged in order to get an abortion.

Anonymous said...

"But it is ok to say that you were raped in an alley when there’s no way a guy could be charged in order to get an abortion."

So you're saying it's ok for women to do something that jacks up the numbers of "unsolved rape cases",wastes police time, and stirs up feminists who believe that somewhere there are a bunch of men getting away with rape all for your own selfish pursuit of wanting an abortion? (Why can't you give the kid up for adoption instead?)

Is that your position?

Falsely claiming you were raped harms men.Period. What part about that DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND?

Anonymous said...

It's okay to say you were raped in an alley even if you weren't? Did your mother teach you that?

jeana said...

I am very pro-choice. Being forced into having a kid against your will and then give it up for adoption is only an option if that is what you choose. No man would be harmed by a random general charge of rape. Too bad if you don’t like it. My right to an abortion is more important than your MRA anger about false rape. I think I made my opinion clear. It is NEVER ok to charge a man for rape for any reason, even to get an abortion. What part of THAT don't you understand?

jeana said...

In order to get an abortion, yes it is ok. My mother? My mother is of the opinion that women “ask for it” if they dress a certain way or do certain things. My feminist leanings have not had much influence on her. No, my mother did not teach me that. I came up with it on my own. Only so that no man would be charged.

Anonymous said...

No man would be harmed by a random general charge of rape. Too bad if you don’t like it. My right to an abortion is more important than your MRA anger about false rape.
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Ummmm.... no.

And when you make the false police report, the police will ask you to make up a description, and might even take you to a line-up to pick out a suspect. Will you then admit that you made it all up so that you could get the abortion, or would you suddenly grow a conscience and admit the truth?

There is no such thing as a harmless false rape accusation.

Anonymous said...

"No man would be harmed by a random general charge of rape."

ALL men are harmed by a random general charge of rape,you fool.

When you make the accusation, it gets counted as a statistic. Since it never went to court, it lowers the amount of actual rapists that are convicted,on the books.

Then feminists come along and say "Only 6% of rapists are convicted" we have to do something to get these convictions up, so they put pressure on the media to insist that all these men are "getting away with rape",they put pressure on police to lower standards of evidence, and they put pressure on the courts to shift the burden of proof from accuser to accused in order to jack up convictions.

Meanwhile,idiots like you are twiddling their thumbs while innocent men are being imprisoned for rape because of your fucking SELFISHNESS. Women have the morning after pill, adoption, creams,salves,injections, every fucking kind of contraception available in the fucking WORLD and you want to put men in prison for crimes that they did not DO in order to make use of only ONE of them.

Your LIES make social policy. Social corrections for your LIES put innocent men in PRISON, you fucking moron.

Archivist said...

Yeah, Jeana needs to read this blog to see how so many men were nabbed and arrested and sometimes convicted over a general claim of stranger rape. Sure, you'd have your abortion, but hopefully they'd send you to prison for as a year or two or more.

Veldan said...

Despite the general anger towards Jeana. Also all of you declaring her a troll.

She has occasionally raised a few valid points BUT more importantly, she actually breeds discussion. Comments on posts with no one posting an opposing view ends up being a whole bunch of people commenting "/agree" "so true" "oh this happened to me" and those sorts of comments quickly are dismissed. By bringing in some "feminazi" ideals, sound bites and what not she actually forces us to draw comparisons and have a true discussion about our purpose here.

Sometimes your opposition if your best friend in the way that they let you show what you're fighting against more clearly.

So guys, calm down and don't get so wound up. THAT is the kind of attitude that'll make people dismiss the comments once again because we speak out of anger and say something overly generalised and overly stupid.

As for the whole lie for an abortion thing. It really comes down to a few factors:
Are you an adult?
Are you in a country were abortion is legal?
Are you not part of a religion that opposes abortion?
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Given that as a child the choice (in some countries) may fall to your parents, you may be backed into a corner.
In a country that doesn't allow it, it is once again the same problem.
If your religion is opposed, then maybe you're in the wrong religion.

Unless you are being forced there really is no grounding at all to lie. Lying to save face is just plain disgusting. You have to have some accountability for your actions, but you should also have the freedom to choose and sometimes you need to do something out of the ordinary to get that freedom. So long as no one is hurt.

Anonymous said...

No man would be harmed by a random general charge of rape. Too bad if you don’t like it. My right to an abortion is more important than your MRA anger about false rape. I think I made my opinion clear.

Perfectly crystal clear. You are a dangerous, vicious, malicious person who would be only too happy to destroy anyone who gets in your way of getting what you want.

You are the reason that an ever-growing number of decent men are choosing to avoid women entirely. In the absence of any legal protections whatsoever from women like you, men are left with no choice but to protect ourselves. I don't think the video of this event happened by accident - word is out among men that there are enough women like you out there that we need to be cognizant at all times of the possibility of running across a woman out to destroy us. Proof of consent is one method, which horny young men have to use. The older a man gets, the easier it gets to simply avoid women.

Of course, that is "misogyny", but since everything we do is proof of that, we no longer care. I will be glad to be called a "misogynist" if it gives me the ability to prevent women like you from destroying my life with your lies.

Anonymous said...

By bringing in some "feminazi" ideals, sound bites and what not she actually forces us to draw comparisons and have a true discussion about our purpose here.

I agree completely. I think it is very important for men to be able to see the unhidden face of modern womanhood in all her self-serving, destructive, splendor.

It's fine to attempt to change the laws and culture, but until that is accomplished it is still possible for men to take steps to protect themselves. That is actually far easier because it only requires one man to change what he believes and what he does.

In the stupid culture of "you can't blame a victim" we have managed to delete from the entire conversation one of the largest sources of our own personal power - our own decisions. Not to seem to go against the purpose of this blog, but each of those boys had it in his direct power to make a decision that would have spared him this experience - to refrain from the activity which was able to be re-written after-the-fact into female victimhood with them cast in the role of victimizers.

Despite the fact that this culture seems to hate it and everyting it can to stamp it out - I've never heard of anyone's life being ruined by practicing sexual restraint. Given the overwhelming nature of the sexual desire of young men, it will take something very powerful to overcome its power over their actions. An awareness of how corrupt, foul, and anti-male that women, the justice system, and the culture at large, have become may be just the ticket.

These boys got off easy. Yes, their names will be tainted forever, but at least they won't have to have spent 25 years in prison in addition to having their names tainted. And, perhaps their experience will give other young men reason to look at a woman giving every indication of sexual interest and receptivity and see a potential false-accuser who can destroy their entire futures if she changes her mind after-the-fact regarding whether or not she "gave consent."

Simply that construction by itself - that women GIVE "consent" is a large part of the problem. Women's sexuality is clearly more valued in this culture than womens, and the concept of it being an equal exchange will never be allowed to be discussed.

Making young men aware of the costs of believing what a woman seems to be communicating will go a long way toward preventing the destruction of their lives by a woman in a culture which sboth seem hell-bent on destroying them given even the slightest opportunity

Anonymous said...

Women's sexuality is clearly more valued in this culture than womens,

Should read -
"Women's sexuality is clearly more valued in this culture than mens."

jeana said...

“Meanwhile,idiots like you are twiddling their thumbs while innocent men are being imprisoned for rape because of your fucking SELFISHNESS. Women have the morning after pill, adoption, creams,salves,injections, every fucking kind of contraception available in the fucking WORLD and you want to put men in prison for crimes that they did not DO in order to make use of only ONE of them.”

Try to understand something, angry men. This whole abortion thing was regarding a thread about a woman in Spain who HAD to lie and say she was raped or she would not be allowed to get an abortion. So she lied. And she was caught and now may go to jail for 2 years. That is f-ing ridiculous.

So THAT is why I said it was ok to lie about being raped. I would think any sane person would feel compassion for her and understand what she did and why. No man was charged. No man was in any danger. So calm yourselves.

And angry guy, you are free to use a condom. So do it and stop selfishly spreading your semen.

jeana said...

FYI, I also think it’s ok for a guy to lie to protect himself, as long as it doesn’t hurt another person. If you know you didn’t do something but don’t have a believable alibi, then I think you should lie. You can’t blame someone else or get someone else in trouble, but you gotta do what you gotta do sometimes. See—equality. Or is it never ok to lie to protect yourself?

Anonymous said...

"So THAT is why I said it was ok to lie about being raped. I would think any sane person would feel compassion for her and understand what she did and why. No man was charged. No man was in any danger. So calm yourselves."


Why is it so hard for you to understand that because you lie, and your lie is on the books, the same idiots who interpret the fact that men make more money than women as evidence of discrimination will also interpret your false claim of rape as "a rapist going unpunished" and then lobby to change the laws so that more innocent men will go to jail over someone else's lies?

When you lie about rape, you put EVERY man in more danger than we are already in.

But I guess since you'll probably never be accused of being a rapist,you just don't give a fuck.

Because the people being maligned and treated like animals all have penises,it's a-ok with jeana.


"And angry guy, you are free to use a condom. So do it and stop selfishly spreading your semen."

Yes, I'm free to use a condom. Then,if that breaks,or is defective,I'm free to become a wage slave to pay a person who had about six more kinds of contraception than were available to me and who is legally "equal" to me and therefore does not need assistance any more than I do.

Explain that shit.

jeana said...

“Yes, I'm free to use a condom. Then,if that breaks,or is defective,I'm free to become a wage slave to pay a person who had about six more kinds of contraception than were available to me and who is legally "equal" to me and therefore does not need assistance any more than I do.”

So it would seem to me that males should be pro-choice and support things like Planned Parenthood much more than they do. I think males think birth control and abortion are female things and so ignore supporting them. I think men should do more to get their opinions out there in terms of their rights not to be parents. It’s now more about not wanting to pay child support, which makes you guys look bad. It should be about not wanting to be a parent, which is what we females say is our right.

In Arizona, they recently passed very restrictive anti-abortion laws and one of them is going to require a doctor to tell a female seeking an abortion that “hey, they guy who knocked you up will have to pay child support” in order to convince her not to have an abortion. I never heard any outcry from males about that (and my letter to the editor on how unfair to males that was wasn’t published). Feministing people didn’t like what I said either. If you want to be treated as more than a walking wallet, then you need to make yourself heard. Louder.

Anonymous said...

"I think males think birth control and abortion are female things and so ignore supporting them."

Are we on the same planet here? I'm pretty sure men overwhelmingly supported the pill. There are quite a few men who even vocally support abortion.

Though,it's funny that they do considering how "My body,my choice" only officially seems to apply when we're talking about women's eggs and not a man's sperm.
If a man wants a baby, and the woman doesn't,he's SOL. Same if he doesn't want to have a child and the woman wants to milk him for child support for 18 years.

Men don't have any reproductive rights.


"If you want to be treated as more than a walking wallet, then you need to make yourself heard. Louder."

That's easy for a member of the privileged gender to say,but unfortunately no one wants to hear our side of the story.

If we speak up about our right to keep the products of our own labor, or to choose which of our sperm helps to create a baby, we're denigrated as being "immature","selfish" or we're accused of trying to "roll back women's rights".

How exactly would you suggest we get the government to take notice of our situation?

Make a recommendation to the White House Council on Men and Boys?

jeana said...

I think you start talking about your reproductive rights as just that and emphasize your "right to choose", all the while supporting contraception, more male options, and comprehensive sex education.

Anonymous said...

"I think you start talking about your reproductive rights as just that and emphasize your "right to choose", all the while supporting contraception, more male options, and comprehensive sex education."

And then what? You think any politician is going to cut his own throat by pissing off the female voting bloc,even if anybody gave a shit about the problems men face?

The only reason that crap worked for women is because most,if not all, men wanted them to have rights.

So they eagerly implemented the feminist demands into law.

Moreover,there are no more reproductive options for men to take, as women have them all.

Any "more male options" would mean taking some options from females, namely the option of milking the state and men for cash and riding the gravy train for 20 years or so.

You think women are just going to give that up in the interest of "fair play"? I seriously fucking doubt it.

jeana said...

You are right in a way. It is more politically feasible for politicians to support women than men. But only the more liberal politicians. Those are the ones who you’d have any chance with. Women would “give up” more control over reproduction. But actually, equality isn’t equality if only one side has most of the rights.