WHAT?! You've got to be kidding me! This story underscores why we have this blog. The injustice to four falsely accused men is almost unspeakable.
"At a news conference yesterday, Nassau County, N.Y., District Attorney Kathleen Rice said the woman has not been charged with a crime, though she did not rule out filing charges later. She declined to name the woman, though several news organizations have named her. . . . 'Her actions and demeanor suggest a very troubled young woman in need of some help,' Rice said."
So, let's get this straight: the false accuser, 18-year-old Hofstra University Freshman Danmell Ndonye, is the victim here?
It sure seems that's how the news article below wants to paint her: "At the high-rise brick apartment building in Manhattan’s working-class Washington Heights neighborhood, where the woman’s family lives, a family friend who did not want to give her name described the woman as an American-born child of immigrant parents who had a 'structured' upbringing with 'very, very, very involved parents.'"
And please note that the news report affords her the same treatment it affords actual rape victims by not publishing her name. Oh, so she really must be a victim, right?
The falsely accused men's names? They are everywhere. Their reputations have been destroyed. And this is yet another in a wearying cavalcade of cases where the men falsely accused will have served more jail time than their false accusers!
We have entered Wonderland, a topsy-turvy world where men falsely accused of rape aren't "real" victims, and false accusers who destroy men's lives aren't "real" criminals.
Please, someone tell me, quick, when was the last time you read a news story that treated an accused rapist in such a sympathetic manner? The press has much to answer for. Again.
And so does the Nassau County, N.Y., District Attorneys office. It needs to explain to the victims of false rape claims, and to potential victims of that crime -- nearly half its population -- why this false accuser hasn't been charged. http://www.nassaucountyny.gov/agencies/DA/contact.html
Here is the news story:
Prosecutors say Hofstra student fabricated rape charge
By Ann Givens / Newsday Friday, September 18, 2009 http://www.bostonherald.com/ Northeast
MELVILLE, N.Y. — The inconsistencies had begun to build up Wednesday night as prosecutors interviewed the Hofstra University student who said she had been brutally gang-raped in a dormitory men’s room last weekend.
It was time to bring up the video.
"I said, ’If there is a video, and I get that video, it’s going to show me that what you’re saying is true?’ " asked Madeline Singas, the county’s chief sex crimes prosecutor.
The 18-year-old woman sat silent for several long moments, Singas said. Then her story veered wildly and fell apart. As soon as the woman admitted she had lied, Singas rushed from the room and picked up the phone. She had only minutes to stop a detective who was headed to get a warrant signed for evidence in the case, and then to arrest a fifth man in the case.
"Once she recanted, we had to stop everything," Singas said.
At the time, prosecutors had not seen the video. However, late last night they obtained a copy, which officials said confirmed the woman’s admission that the sex was consensual. Prosecutors would not say how they obtained the video.
Within hours, the four accused men had been released from jail, and pursuit of the fifth man had been dropped.
At a news conference yesterday, Nassau County, N.Y., District Attorney Kathleen Rice said the woman has not been charged with a crime, though she did not rule out filing charges later. She declined to name the woman, though several news organizations have named her.
Rice declined to speculate on the woman’s motives for filing false accusations against the men, but she said that, after the consensual encounter, the woman returned home to someone she referred to as her boyfriend and he "asked her some questions." The two then went together to campus security, Rice said.
"Her actions and demeanor suggest a very troubled young woman in need of some help," Rice said.
At the high-rise brick apartment building in Manhattan’s working-class Washington Heights neighborhood, where the woman’s family lives, a family friend who did not want to give her name described the woman as an American-born child of immigrant parents who had a "structured" upbringing with "very, very, very involved parents."
Law enforcement said even before the young woman’s interview with Singas and another top prosecutor, Sheryl Anania, Wednesday night, a few questions loomed large.
Prosecutors asked why none of the students living on the floor where the incident happened had heard any commotion that night, when usually they can hear something as quiet as a person brushing his teeth. They wondered why the accused rapists would have taken the time to dispose of the rope the woman said they used to tie her in a bathroom stall, but left used condoms littering the bathroom floor, a law enforcement source said.
And finally, why would the accused rapists have asked their victim to come with them when the encounter ended, as she herself said they did?
Still, Singas and Anania said they went into the interview with the woman with a totally open mind.
But as the woman’s account of a brutal rape evolved over the first hour of the interview in the fluorescent-lit conference room, the woman seemed to be adding some details that hadn’t been part of her initial account to police, and omitting others, prosecutors said.
The prosecutors had heard that there might be a videotape and were in the process of asking a judge to sign a warrant to get the accused men’s cell phones. When the woman recanted, though, they said they could not pursue the warrant because they no longer had a case.
Victor Daly-Rivera, an attorney representing Kevin Taveras, 20, one of the accused men, said he had viewed part of a short cell-phone video of the Hofstra incident taken by a fifth man the woman claimed had raped her.
"Clearly, she wasn’t forced. Clearly, she wasn’t screaming," Daly-Rivera said of the video. "There were no ropes."
On campus, Hofstra sophomore Patricia Frey, 19, said she still feels "torn up" by the incident.
"Everybody has been ripped from side to side" by the seesawing emotions it provoked, she said.
Melissa Connolly, a Hofstra spokeswoman, said the student who recanted the story of being raped has been suspended pending an internal judicial process.
Rondell Bedward, a Hofstra junior and the only one of the men who was a student, is no longer suspended and the university intends to assist him in his transition, including living in a different dorm if he chooses to, said Connolly.
"I think in some ways the announcement last night was as heartbreaking as finding out or thinking that the incident had occurred originally. Again, a student did something that hurt another student."
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(Chau Lam, Sumathi Reddy, Carl Macgowan, Sophia Chang, Joseph Mallia and Pervaiz Shallwani of Newsday contributed to this report.)
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Link: http://www.bostonherald.com/news/national/northeast/view.bg?&articleid=1198366&format=&page=2&listingType=natne#articleFull
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That is just so ridiculous. I don't understand people who do this kind of thing. Can anyone tell me why? And why isn't she being charged? Ludicrous.
These sorts of things will never stop if they aren't deterred. Unfortunately, this is an extremely high profile case, a perfect opportunity to send a message to other rape liars.
"Rice declined to speculate on the woman’s motives for filing false accusations against the men, but she said that, after the consensual encounter, the woman returned home to someone she referred to as her boyfriend and he "asked her some questions."""
I had been guessing that there might have been a boyfriend in the picture, who the skank would not want to find out about her sexual escapade. But, off course, young men tend to brag, so she "brilliantly" decided that a preemptive false rape claim would be the best way to avoid having to admit her own culpability for her cheating-whore ways.
"Her actions and demeanor suggest a very troubled young woman in need of some help"
BS! Her actions - consensual gang-banging - are not at all atypical of college girls these days. Like most young women, she no doubt liked to go to parties to drink (to lower her inhibitions) and look for sex.
And, with so many of them, they tend to forget about any boyfriend they might have, any future plans for long-term relationships and families, and throw themselves whole-heartedly into the wildest sex possible (hey, you're only young once).
Only afterwards, when the thrill of the moment (not to mention the booze and drugs) has worn off, do they stop to reconsider what they've done.
A boyfriend demanding to know why she's coming home so late, and where she's been, and what she's been up to - well, she forgot to think about that possibility too.
What to do? Well, everyone knows a rape charge is a get-out-of-everything-card for a woman to play.
Oops! One more thing she forget - the phone camera that recorded all the action. It probably included her looking right at it, slutting it up a little more, and probably even her vocally encouraging them to...well, you know.
Yep! Like I though yesterday, this is just one more case of a woman trying to salvage her "reputation".
Just way to damned common.
Right on cue!
The New York Post interviewed her boyfriend - "Twisted motive behind rape story:
Hofstra gal feared being branded a tramp after romp":
"The Hofstra freshman who had a raunchy restroom romp and then cried rape made up the twisted tale because she didn't want her schoolmates -- particularly her new boyfriend -- to think she was easy, the beau told The Post yesterday.
"I think she needs a psychologist. She probably felt like, 'They'll think I'm a slut,' " her boyfriend, who asked not to be identified, told The Post."
Of course she's a slut. If we were to decide that all slut's needed psychological counseling, we would need to increase the number of practicing psychologists ten-fold (at least).
I couldn't stomach all of Amanda Hess's steaming pile, but from what i did read, she attribute false rapes to the patriarchy "forcing" women to lie about their sexuality. Apparently women fear "slut-shaming".
So, let me get this straight: women don't need men (per se), but they do need men to "validate" their promiscuity?
Fat chance! There are perfectly valid reasons for men to reject promiscuous women as relationship partners. If women want to be sluts, they need to "own it".
And, when they start to whine about how men don't suffer from "slut-shaming", they need to come to grips with the reality that it is WOMEN who do not reject promiscuous men (but, rather admire them as proven sex partners - women admire "studs" far, far more than do other men). In fact, the shaming men will more often get from women is for being (older) virgins.
That said, I can't help but notice that the troll brigade seems to have little to add WRT this story. Why's that?
Not charging her with anything...Is just like our in house hog Jeanna's comments about when the 18 year old boy was beat to death with a bat in his sleep, over a girls false rape acussation.
Jeanna the pig says about that case..."well what the girl did was wrong...BUT IT DOESN"T REACH THE LEVEL OF ANY SORT OF CHARGES."
I say Jeanna is a callous pig.
slwerner, thanks for the link. Just added a new post about it. The motivation is neither surprising nor enlightening. It is extremely common. A crime is a crime is a crime, and motive is not an element of the crime.
The disturbing thing about this case is the "incarcerate first, ask questions/check out the evidence later" attitude of police and the D.A. And the failure to charge the false accuser, or even to name her (although news outlets have picked that up). And see how the young men were treated in jail? Absolutley disgusting.
Imagine, a girl thinking with her vagina and not her brain.
Who would have thunk it?
Slwerner,
So, let me get this straight: women don't need men (per se), but they do need men to "validate" their promiscuity?
Need men to validate their promiscuity...how did you come to that conclusion? They don't need men to validate their sexual habits anymore than men need women to validate their own sexual habits.
What she means is women shouldn't be criticized, looked down upon, and called sluts for being promiscuous if in the case of promiscuous men, no one really makes that big of a deal of it and/or calls them sluts. A case of a double standard. Either both cases should be seen in a negative light or both cases shouldn't be judged.
Fat chance! There are perfectly valid reasons for men to reject promiscuous women as relationship partners.
Of course. The same applies to men as well.
Also, I completely agree with you about how women don't reget promiscuous men and that there's a stigma surrounding males who are virgins. A man who's a virgin and a woman who has an active sex life shouldn't be stigmatized.
In case you're wondering I don't condone casual sex or promiscuity. I just don't agree with one gender being judged and the other one not being judged in regards to sex.
And, with so many of them, they tend to forget about any boyfriend they might have, any future plans for long-term relationships and families, and throw themselves whole-heartedly into the wildest sex possible.
Minus the boyfriend part, are they really thinking that far ahead? Except for STDs, pregnancy, and in the case of already being in relationship, how would that effect their future plans for long-term relationships and families? Does the same apply to men?
About the topic itself. Not much that I can say that hasn't already been said, what she did was wrong and she should be punished. If her reason for crying rape is true, then she shouldn't have worried about what people would think. In that case, she shouldn't have had sex with them in the first place if she was that worried about it.
"At a news conference yesterday, Nassau County, N.Y., District Attorney Kathleen Rice said the woman has not been charged with a crime, though she did not rule out filing charges later. She declined to name the woman, though several news organizations have named her. . . . 'Her actions and demeanor suggest a very troubled young woman in need of some help,' Rice said."
I think that Kathleen Rice is a very troubled young woman in need of some help. And she's a man-hating cunt, too.
Guys, do you know what the average sentence for extortion is? 6 years in prison.
So if this lying filth had demanded money from each of them instead of destroying their lives with false rape charges, THEN she would be going to prison on four counts of extortion -- which could easily add up to 24 years in prison.
Why is she getting a free ride instead? Her crime was INFINITELY worse than extortion.
Renee - "Need men to validate their promiscuity...how did you come to that conclusion?"
If women are calling on men to consider their (the women's) promiscuity as a normal, even desirable, character trait, then they are, in fact, calling on men to "validate" that promiscuity. All I did was draw the straight line from one to the other. I'm not exactly sure how I could have reached any other conclusion without a lot of Amanda Hess-like contortions of reality and facts.
"Of course. The same applies to men as well."
I tried to make that very point in the discussion on Hess's piece. But, as one typically finds with women, they don't want to accept that they should also reject promiscuous men - again, preferring to demand that men become more accepting of promiscuous women instead.
"Minus the boyfriend part, are they really thinking that far ahead? Except for STDs, pregnancy, and in the case of already being in relationship, how would that effect their future plans for long-term relationships and families? Does the same apply to men?"
Research has demonstrated that increasing numbers of sexual partners disrupts a woman's ability to form a bond with subsequent partners (I do believe that you, yourself, mentioned this previously).
While the study detailed the effect on women, I believe that the same applies to men. In my own experience, I have never know one person who was promiscuous who was ever able to become successfully monogamous, man or woman.
And (just because my use of the word bothered one poster on Hess's piece), I figure once a slut, always a slut = once a man-slut, always a man-slut.
Hey, I'm all for equality - true equality, that is.
The answer -- the ONLY answer -- is simple.
These prosecutors and womyn's libbers gotta watch each others' backs, and they have LOTS of skeletons in their closets. They do not want false rape prosecutions treated as crimes because many of them would then come under scrutiny.
If this really was just something that happened occasionally they wouldn't hestitate to slam her ass into prison. The reluctance that prosecutors ALWAYS have in EVER holding false rape accusers accountable PROVES BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT that these crimes happen ALL THE TIME. This is a major problem and they're covering it up.
There is no other logical explanation for the unbelievable difference between how this is being handled and how any other case of fraud would be handled. The current system can't afford to acknowledge the truth. If the extent of the problem is ever fully recognized there will be drastic consequences for everybody involved.
How many innocent men do you suppose have gone to prison because of Kathleen Rice? I would guess lots and lots!
Anon at 2:34: Excellent point about extortion.
Extort $5000, go to prison for six years. Extort $50,000 in legal fees through a false rape accusation, get -- therapy. Or nothing.
False rape accusers get the Kathleen Rice nice treatment.
Not for nothing but I'm dying to see this video! lol
It wouldn't surprise me to see the guy who filmed it charged with some kind of offense. I am not joking.
Let's de-gender this situation and look at the bare essentials.
One individual makes serious charges against 5 others in order to deceive another. The police establish that the individual is lying.
Imagine if this were a man alleging 5 other men committed a serious crime, so that he might save himself some domestic grief.
Imagine if it were a woman making serious allegations against 5 other women for her own petty gain.
Imagine a man making false charges against 5 women for some advantage to himself.
It is absolutely beyond belief that in any of these situations the police wouldn't determine the commission of a crime and pursue it with vigor - especially if the liar were male.
But in this one instance where the perpetrator is female and so is the prosecutor, no charges are laid. How more corrupt can it get? Law enforcement is identifying with suspects and giving them a pass.
You know, I have been thinking about it for a while, and it appears to me that our coddling of women more and more in these type scenarios, as time goes on, is somewhat of a 'backlash' to the fact that it is become very evident to everyone that women do lie about rape.
Our innate tendency to 'big up' women is so incredibly strong, that 99% of us are not only willing to go into complete denial about the fact that they lie, a fact which is right in front of our faces, but that most people angrily reject the mere suggestion of it, and over-'compensate' by empowering the false accusors even more.
"What she means is women shouldn't be criticized, looked down upon, and called sluts for being promiscuous if in the case of promiscuous men, no one really makes that big of a deal of it and/or calls them sluts. A case of a double standard. Either both cases should be seen in a negative light or both cases shouldn't be judged."
I've said it before, and I'll say it again. Men don't engage in slut-shaming, women do.
Women have a lot to lose if a bunch of sluts are running around giving away what they're asking substantial amounts of money for.
We men love sluts, we just won't marry them. This is perfectly reasonable, as we have a right to not have to support someone else's kids.
Secondly, I COMPLETELY disagree with the idea that there is ANYTHING wrong with male promiscuity. This is a feminist ploy to reverse the gender roles so that they can also "slut-shame" men.
Promiscuity is the default male position throughout most of the animal kingdom.
I will NEVER apologize for enjoying sex with as many women as I can get,so fuck you feminists and manginas,you're barking up the wrong tree with me.
Anonymous said...
Guys, do you know what the average sentence for extortion is? 6 years in prison.
So if this lying filth had demanded money from each of them instead of destroying their lives with false rape charges, THEN she would be going to prison on four counts of extortion -- which could easily add up to 24 years in prison.
Why is she getting a free ride instead? Her crime was INFINITELY worse than extortion.
You haven't heard of the famous " vagina pass " ?
Sugar said...
That is just so ridiculous. I don't understand people who do this kind of thing. Can anyone tell me why? And why isn't she being charged? Ludicrous.
Sep 18, 2009 9:52:00 AM
I'm no expert but I know Norm,Archivist,SlWerner and a couple of others can provide you with truthful and insightful information that will answer your question.
"Our innate tendency to 'big up' women is so incredibly strong, that 99% of us are not only willing to go into complete denial about the fact that they lie, a fact which is right in front of our faces, but that most people angrily reject the mere suggestion of it, and over-'compensate' by empowering the false accusors even more."
I think the basic cause of this is that many men are still hoping to find a virtuous woman to settle down with, or hoping that the woman they settled down with is virtuous. These men are taking the "ignorance is bliss" approach because the alternative (being realistic) is incredibly depressing and nearly hopeless.
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