Comment: Again and again and again we see repeated the pattern manifested in the news story below: a woman lies about rape, causing an innocent male to be taken into custody. The woman's lie unravels and she recants. The authorities ponder whether to press charges for making a false report.
First, what is there to ponder? She committed a crime that caused another citizen to be taken into custody and she needs to go to prison for it. Period.
Second, in what other situation do we freely allow one class of citizens (females) to use the power of the state to deprive members of another class of citizens (males) of their liberty, usually without any penalty?
And third, for what other crime are we so lax in holding authorites accountable for the decision to not charge a criminal with a crime? We rarely hear of any follow-up to these stories where the authorities ponder whether to bring charges. If the public knew of all the false rape claims that the police just quietly drop, men, especially, would be stunned. Stunned. And that is a fact.
HERE IS THE NEWS STORY:
Police: Alleged Rape Victim Made Up Story
HOLLYWOOD (CBS4) ― A Hollywood woman has recanted her story that she was raped after accepting a ride from a stranger on Tuesday, according to Hollywood Police.
Police initially took someone into custody, but by Tuesday evening when the victim recanted, the person was released by Hollywood police.
Hollywood Police Lt. Manny Marino initially repeated what the woman told police, saying the story began at a bus stop in the 24-hundred block of Johnson Street.
"The victim was sitting a bus stop, obviously waiting for the bus," explained Marino. "The suspect asked her if she needed a ride, unfortunately she got in the vehicle with this person. (He) didn't take her where she needed to go, took her to another location where the sexual battery happened."
By Tuesday evening, the story came apart and the victim admitted to police investigators she had made the whole story up.
Investigators will now check with the State Attorney's Office to see if charges of filing a false police report will be filed.
Link: http://cbs4.com/local/hollywood.abduction.false.2.1046563.html
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Hey, wait!!! I thought women/girls NEVER EVER EVER, lie about rape.
WHY WOULD THEY LIE ABOUT SOMETHING LIKE THAT????bause
The bause should not be in the text above.
The only reason to not charge her is to continue protecting the false accusers who have already sent men to prison. That's what prosecutors mean when they say "it wouldn't be in the interest of justice to charge her for her crimes."
"Investigators will now check with the State Attorney's Office to see if charges of filing a false police report will be filed."
Seriously!?!? They think it's reasonable and rational to check with the State Attorney's Office to see if they should file charges?
Oh! I see. the state of Florida doesn't have any other ongoing criminal and civil issues worthy of the States Attorney's Office time, so let's run this case through the bureaucracy and see if we don't get back some tepid "do what ever you'd like" response in six or seven months.
Can you say "COP OUT"!
Some women clearly lies, wastes police time and money, gets some innocent guy arrested; yet some mangina or feminist investigator doesn't want to have to punish her, so they pawn their work off on the State Attorney's Office to do the dirty work for them.
But, I do have to admit it's a really good delaying tactic (delay being the key to letting the whole mess "blow over" so there will be no perceived need to file the charges).
meanwhile the parade of liars continue to pass straight through the system with nary a wrist slap, and the true victims of rape become ever less believed.
It's too bad that the feminists and their chivalrous mangina allies aren't bright enough to realize that only by punishing the false accusers do you create the disincentives necessary to dissuade other women from doing the same - and thereby begin to rebuild credibility for actual rape victims.
slwerner, I am going to do a post soon on the fact that police, in unguarded moments, admit that false rape claims are extremely common. I seriously think men would be shocked by how frequently they are quietly dropped. Any thoughts on that?
They obviously knows that this happens all the time. They don't want the public to catch on, because then their tough on rape policies might lose favor.
The only reason to refuse to prosecute on behalf of this victim is if you want even more innocent men to be raped. "Victims rights" goes out the window when an innocent man has been humiliated.
Don't ever get discouraged, everybody. The amazing thing isn't that these false accusations are being reported now, but that the liars have gotten away with it for so long.
Make no mistake: the good guys are ultimately going to win. These liars and the system that enables them will be 100% exposed. Duke Lacrosse and other cases have already gone a long way towards making the public aware of the problem.
The truth kicks a whole lot of ass when he finally bothers to show up.
Pierce Harlan - "I am going to do a post soon on the fact that police, in unguarded moments, admit that false rape claims are extremely common. I seriously think men would be shocked by how frequently they are quietly dropped. Any thoughts on that?"
It is something I regularly hear directly from police investigators.
I know I probably annoy some others who've convinced themselves of a grand conspiratorial alliance from top-to-bottom with law enforcement, but, as I pointed out on any number of occasions, the vast majority are good people making an honest effort to to the right thing - including sniffing out false allegations (beyond just rape and sexual assault allegations) quickly, so that neither time is spent needlessly nor are innocent people involved.
One thing that I learned not that long ago from one detective was that it is not all that uncommon for the initial investigator (often a patrol officer) to get a strong sense that a person is lying about an alleged offense they claim to have suffered (yes, this includes false accusations of rape and sexual assault), and through simple questioning and then a frank statement that they do not believe their story, to get the complainant to never even file false charges to begin with.
Of course, through Men's Rights sites, we often get to hear about the accounts of how police when responding to domestic violence calls end up arresting a man on no more than a womans word.
Yet, one incident that this detective I mentioned related to me involved a woman who called police on a supposed DV issue. When police arrived, she told them that her boyfriend had raped her.
But, after a few basic questions, it became clear to him that she wasn't being honest. So, he pressed her, and she admitted that she was just mad because after having (consensual sex) he didn't live up to his promise to stay home with her, and instead proceeded to get ready to go out.
From what was relayed to me, I go the impression that the woman had tried to use sex to keep the guy from going out, and felt used when it didn't work as she planned, and she "spun" her anger up into feeling "raped". [if memory serves, there was also a physical altercation in which he pushed her to the floor on his way out which made her even angrier]
But, he got her to calm down and consider what might end up happening, and she decided not to file a rape allegation.
It's one story that sticks out in my mind, specifically because it was a potential false rape allegation (whereas his other examples were about other alleged offenses).
Still, it goes to show that not all law enforcement is simply out to GET men.
As I've often stated (ad nauseum, I admit), having gotten to know many who are involved in law enforcement, I have gained great respect for them and the efforts they make. This is also why I tend to get extremely annoyed by reports wherein it is clear that certain individuals are simply NOT making the effort or, worse, are trying to avoid doing what is right and just, either because they don’t want to have to do so, or they are knuckling under to (improper) influences – such as it appears to me has happened in the main story of this thread.
And, I’d add, I’m looking forward to that item you mentioned. You have a knack for bring balance to issue while not losing sight of the primary concerns of the innocent men who are accused. Again, thank you for you’re excellent and very important work on this critical issue.
Thanks, slwerner. I agree with everything you've said wholeheartedly.
I'd like to comment on this: "not all law enforcement is simply out to GET men." Agreed. I think very, very few are out to "get" men. I think that this constant beating of the drum that the entire judicial system is out to "get" men is absurd and extremely counterproductive. It ignore nuance and complex issues and is the equivalent of the feminst harangue. I personally have had experience through my legal practice where police did not "automatically" take the woman's word, where things have been handled the right way. I think that the way you've described their handling of false rape complaints is typical.
Now with that said, I think that law enforcement might be adding to its own problems by not making examples of the worst cases. Any time a male is taken into custody, the rape lie has to be taken seriously -- and punished.
Pierce Harlan - "Now with that said, I think that law enforcement might be adding to its own problems by not making examples of the worst cases. Any time a male is taken into custody, the rape lie has to be taken seriously -- and punished."
We are definitely on the "same page" here. While there are a few rouges and lazy incompetents within the ranks of law enforcement, even they could cause no harm were it not for the false accuser getting the ball rolling.
That's why I always emphasize the primary guilt/responsibility of the false accuser - and agree that they need to be punished (to make an example of them) when they continue in the lie to the point that others become harmed.
I believe men are against men. Men in power discriminate against men of lesser power. Three decades of academic feminism has taken its toll. Enough is enough.
Sadly, you will never, ever see this topic on Oprah.
"I believe men are against men. Men in power discriminate against men of lesser power."
The joke is this: that we need Latinas on the Supreme Court because white males only speak for white males. Um, since the vast majority of people at the bottom of our society are male and a significant percentage of them are white -- who is going to speak for them? Clue: nobody. Not Sotomayor and not the current Justices. The men at the bottom will never have a voice because men don't speak for men.
Unfortunately that is true, which is why men at the bottom will only be helped if we build a very broadly based social movement. If we are ever going to have safe inner cities and high graduation rates at all levels of society then we must make men a non-disposable member of the American family even in poor neighborhoods. We must have patriarchy for all, not just for the powerful.
"Again and again and again we see repeated the pattern manifested in the news story below: a woman lies about rape, causing an innocent male to be taken into custody. The woman's lie unravels and she recants. The authorities ponder whether to press charges for making a false report.
It seems as if society isn't tired of their tax dollars being wasted in such a fraudulent manner. It is as if the public either ignores these false accusations or, they treat it as a bad dream "that will go away after they wake up". THEY NEED TO WAKE UP NOW! How many more of people's sons,fathers,uncles and, friends willl have to be subjected to this crap before people start taking these false accusations seriously?
"First, what is there to ponder? She committed a crime that caused another citizen to be taken into custody and she needs to go to prison for it. Period."
True justice demands it
"Second, in what other situation do we freely allow one class of citizens (females) to use the power of the state to deprive members of another class of citizens (males) of their liberty, usually without any penalty?"
No sarcasm intended but, it would take quite a while to count that high. The woman who falsely accused me of waving a gun at her, literally committed murder. She cost me a career in the U.S. Army and everything else I held dear. She committed perjury on the stand and the state of Tennessee sponsored her in her lie by continuing to seek a conviction and two to fifteen years of my life,my life even.
"And third, for what other crime are we so lax in holding authorites accountable for the decision to not charge a criminal with a crime? "
Not to be sarcastic,or funny but, I can think of at least a couple.
"We rarely hear of any follow-up to these stories where the authorities ponder whether to bring charges."
True.
" If the public knew of all the false rape claims that the police just quietly drop, men, especially, would be stunned. Stunned. And that is a fact.
Maybe they would be outraged if they came out of the chivalrous coma they have been lulled into by feminism ,and all of the hype they perpetuated and the media who eat their crap up.
Anonymous said...
"The only reason to refuse to prosecute on behalf of this victim is if you want even more innocent men to be raped. "Victims rights" goes out the window when an innocent man has been humiliated."
I have never heard of men having vitim's rights. No sarcasm intended. We men seem to have very few rights in the grand scheme of things.
Anonymous said...
"Don't ever get discouraged"
"The truth kicks a whole lot of ass when he finally bothers to show up.'
Truth will be extremely busy, as busy as a one legged man in an ass kicking contest with six legged men.
slwerner said...
"I probably annoy some others who've convinced themselves of a grand conspiratorial alliance from top-to-bottom with law enforcement, but, as I pointed out on any number of occasions, the vast majority are good people making an honest effort to to the right thing - including sniffing out false allegations (beyond just rape and sexual assault allegations) quickly, so that neither time is spent needlessly nor are innocent people involved."
I wish a police officer like those you speak of, were there the night I was falsely accused, instead of two police officers who were complacent and chivalrously mangynic.
Anonymous - "I wish a police officer like those you speak of, were there the night I was falsely accused, instead of two police officers who were complacent and chivalrously mangynic."
Still, they were probably doing their best - but they'd been deliberately mislead.
Actually, what you've just brought up is a tremendously important point. One of the truly heinous aspects of a false rape report is the reactions that can be engendered in those who are tasked to deal with the alleged crime.
Rape is such a serious crime - and is treat by men so very very much so. As we've seen, th desire to deliver retribution on behalf of a raped women can easily provoke a murderous rage in men. [so much for the callous accusation of feminists that men don't care enough about rape]
The police are only human, they are subject to making the same errors in judgment as must other people. Despite all of there training, given the right circumstances (an especially sympathetic victim, for instance), they too, can lose their objectivity.
I can well understand that as the one who had to suffer because of their over-zealousness, you'd be inclined to single out those officers as the culprits.
And, indeed, they do bear their share of the blame. [As an aside, if you ended up being cleared of the allegations (i don't know about your case), I do think that it would be instructive for them if you were to meet with them, perhaps in a controlled setting you could arrange with their internal affairs office, and let them know how hard it was on you being treated that way by them. Having to bear the personal guilt for their over-reaction can teach them, and other officers around them a valuable lesson about the importance of maintaining objectivity, and considering that allegations may be false].
Yet, from my distant safe perspective, I still seen the real problem as being the false accuser - who was the one who's lies provoked the officers to desire to extract their own justice for her.
I'm nor seeking to excuse the misguided officers, only to point out the "but for her having lied" aspect to the case.
In all cases of official misconduct, whether relatively minor, or extremely serious wrt false rape charges, it aways ultimately comes down to having been set into motion by a liar making a false claim.
"I still seen the real problem as being the false accuser - who was the one who's lies provoked the officers to desire to extract their own justice for her."
Right. The police officers need to abide by standards of professionalism, but they have a duty to ascertain if there's a reasonable basis for assuming criminality has occurred.
The false accuser is the trouble-maker. Those cops who automatically believe a rape allegation, those judges who hand out lenient sentences to false accusers, those newspaper reporters who seek out the opinions of paid sexual assault counselors who automatically believe the accuser -- they are all enablers who need to be called on their conduct, as slwerner suggested.
We do walk a thin line here. The goal should be complete objectivity on the part of all those people. Some women actually are raped. There is no need to treat either an accuser or the man or boy accused harshly or with disbelief. Just gather the facts, and if it's a he said/she said scenario with plausible accounts on both sides, the case is dropped.
" I am going to do a post soon on the fact that police, in unguarded moments, admit that false rape claims are extremely common"
you don't really need to look for unguarded moments of active-duty cops...just check into what some retired cops have said (anonymously, for fear of feminist reprisal). There have even been a couple of posts to do with that on Sacks' board, that is, retired cops coming forward.
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