In this post I am providing a link to the report on the most important studies ever conducted about false rape claims -- those conducted by Professor Eugene Kanin. Unlike "researchers" such as Liz Kelly and her ilk who have long fanned the flames of hysteria about men and rape, Professor Kanin had no political ax to grind with his studies. In fact, he was highly respected in the feminist community before his false rape studies. His studies on male aggression and acquaintance rape in the 50s and 60s made him a pioneering feminist icon, a sociologist whose writings were quoted without question. See, e.g., I Never Called It Rape: The Ms. Report on Recognizing, Fighting, and Surviving Date and Acquaintance Rape (1994) at pages 13, 43, 86-87.
All that changed when people started publicizing Kanin's false rape studies from the mid-90s. Kanin went from being a serious social scientist whose pronouncements were not to be questioned to a complete nitwit who had no idea how to conduct objective and impartial research.
The recent study of Liz Kelly in the UK is touted among hard-core gender feminists as Gospel. They don't bother to mention that she has a history of writing things like this: "Sexual violence includes any physical, visual, verbal or sexual act that is experienced by the woman or girl, at the time or later, as a threat, invasion or assault that has the effect of hurting her or degrading her and/or taken away her ability to control intimate contact."
Professor Kanin, on the other hand, is viewed as a traitor to the feminist cause -- because feminists don't like the results of his objective false rape studies.
Read his famous report here. It is anything but the report of a flaming MRA. If this report, written with objectivity by someone with unquestioned feminist credentials, can be attacked by gender feminists as it has been, it only underscores the vacuity of the feminist movement -- a movement that has no interest in facts that interfere with the feminist agenda.
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The truth is always the first casualty of any totalitarian agenda. Eliminate lies and you eliminate feminism.
MENZ are compiling a survey that will be used to score the status of men and boys in different countries.
The aim is to put a number on the practise of misandry throughout the world, and to expose the worst offenders. This may be important to you if you are considering emigrating to a less male-hostile environment.
A number of suggestions have been made, but they need to be short-listed. At the following site, you can see all suggested survey questions, and can vote for the ONE question that is most important to you.
Please feel free to post any comments you would like to make.
Voting Site
Although it doesn't apply to my country, I voted for #1. Rape is literally defined as something only someone with a penis can commit? Amazing.
I think that some good questions would relate to the issue of how easy it is to convict for rape, how harsh the sentencing is, whether or not false rape accusers (mostly women) are ever punished, and whether or not prosecutors can blatantly violate the rights of innocent people (mostly men) without facing jail time or lawsuits.
Many countries may have anti-male legal systems, but the US is especially cruel because the sentencing here is so harsh and prosecutions are so frequent.
This survey is an excellent idea.
Mark Twain once said,"a lie can travel half way around the world, while the truth is still putting on its shoes".
Warren Farrell used to be a big-time feminist too. He served 3 terms as president of NOW in N.Y. City. When he started to question some of the claims of feminism, he was blacklisted, like Kanin.
Feminism is fascism. No doubt about it.
The survey is a little sneaky. Choices nos. 1 and 10 are exactly the same - can consent be 'withdrawn' later, i.e. after the sex act. Still I answered it. but you guys at Menz probably shouldn't do it this way because feminist trolls who go to your site point to it and say, "these MRA's do not have much integrity". And in this case I might agree with them. I know feminists do stuff like this, but that is not the point.
P.S.
Kanin would probably frown on this practice too.
I've reviewed Kanin's excellent report, here.
What practice? What did Menz do wrong?
Norm says: "The survey is a little sneaky."
What we're wanting to do is reduce a long list of survey questions down to a much shorter list (10 questions) that will then be used as the basis of the survey.
Asking men from around the net to say which one question is most important to them helps us figure out what those final 10 questions are.
Once we have the final 10 questions, they will be answered by independent sources, such as publicly available statistics.
The objective here is to come up with a quick and easy way to compare misandry in different countries, by expressing misandry by a number.
Even if the questions are 'loaded' (and we will attempt to avoid that), the value of the survey remains intact as a means of differentiating between countries.
Although 10 questions is the starting point for the survey, once it's established and we have numbers for different countries, objections to what questions are asked, how many, what is omitted etc can be addressed in time.
The key thing now is to get a report out there, showing which is the most misandrist country on the planet, which countries are better, and why we make that claim.
Once again, if you'd like to help us and say which one question is most important to you, you can vote here.
This is great work. Exactly the sort of thing that needs to be done.
To MENZ, is the idea to make the poll questions into a chart (instead of a poll)? These questions seek objectively verifiable answers, and I am assuming you're going to compile a handly chart comparing nations. In any event, let us know what we can do to help and to publicize this effort.
"What practice? What did Menz do wrong?"
Did you read all my comments?
"Although 10 questions is the starting point for the survey, once it's established and we have numbers for different countries, objections to what questions are asked, how many, what is omitted etc can be addressed in time."
The way I read this is, "let's do something sneaky right now, then when we get some information that we can use from the commission of that sneaky something, we can address the question of whether we are sneaky."
My response: by then it's too late...you have obtained biased information, and and as you said,you are planning on going forth with using it.
Archivist and Pierce, I'd recommend staying away from these guys.
How silly.
I agree, they are.
I went to the link talking about Kanin's report provided by Elusive Wapiti. I'm wondering about something.
I was looking at the limitations of the report and one caught my eye:
- His sample was of one city in the Midwest. This makes his study difficult to generalize to the larger population
Is it common for the fact behind a particular belief to be limited to and based on just one city? That seems like a small population to me. But then again, I'm not really an expert in regards to research papers using populations and sociological study methods.
This is the beginning of a study of anti-male bias around the world, not the end of it. We have been doing this for a very short period of time, and still haven't begun in earnest.
The feminists, on the other hand, have been "studying" their issues for decades, and still can't manage more than the same old unfounded claims about 75 cents per dollar and 2% false reporting and 1 in 4 gets raped. Cut us some slack and don't hold us to a higher standard than you hold them. They have armies of academics pimping their bullshit; our means are far more modest.
If we can avoid childish infighting then we will come up with objective, reliable measures of which countries despise men the most, and some reasonable recommendations for how to reverse this problem.
"Is it common for the fact behind a particular belief to be limited to and based on just one city? "
That's a damn sight better than 95% of feminist 'studies'...which are inevitable pre-biased/pre-determined, sometimes outright fabricated, 'mis-interpreted', misleading, etc. etc. Do you hold them to the same high standards?
"To MENZ, is the idea to make the poll questions into a chart (instead of a poll)? These questions seek objectively verifiable answers, and I am assuming you're going to compile a handly chart comparing nations. In any event, let us know what we can do to help and to publicize this effort."
Archivist,
The idea is to arrive at a single number - an index - in order to represent the status of men in a country (much as a single index like the Dow-Jones is used to represent the health of a stock market).
Having a number per country then allows us to rank countries, from most favorable to men downwards.
At the moment we are asking men to tell us what issues are important to them, so that we can determine which are the 10 most important men's issues that should be used as the basis of arriving at a meaningful index. (you can vote for the ONE issue closest to your heart at the site below - voting closes July 5).
Once we've established which issues to concentrate on, we'll then accept proposals for assessing the index. If there are enough proposals made, we can decide which to adopt by online polling.
We're not aiming at being perfect first time. We're aiming at getting an index for every country. Any man who wants to participate in this open effort can visit the site below and comment, suggest, start threads or even help do some of the work that needs to be done (such as further canvassing).
We are also asking for suggested names for the index and polling for which will be accepted.
Hopefully this project can also demonstrate a workable way in which men can achieve a specific goal working collaboratively, in much the same way the open-source movement works.
For those who can only find fault, and fail to suggest improvements, please don't bother visiting. This project will succeed.
Project Site
You don't need to register at this site to vote in the polls, suggest improvements, start new threads or do some of the little jobs that need doing.
"We are also asking for suggested names for the index and polling for which will be accepted.
Correction: at this point we are asking for suggested names for the index only. Polling to select the name to be used is not yet open.
Cut us some slack and don't hold us to a higher standard than you hold them.
Lol hold the phone. Noone is holding anyone to a higher standard than the other. It was just an honest question.
Norm,
Yes I do hold them to the same standards and expectations. Apparently that isn't happening.
Renee,
I don't think they mean it's too small in terms of number of people sampled, maybe they just mean things could vary by geographical area/culture, like if it's a college town or something.
Norm,
Ok. I guess what I was wondering about was if it varies by geographical area/culture, then how can we take this one report in this one area and apply it to the country? I don't know. You guys say that this isn't the only report about false rape acusations but yet people "have been doing this for a very short period of time, and still haven't begun in earnest". I'm not disputing you all, I just want to understand stand how these type of studies work. Like I said, I'm not really an expert in regards to research papers using populations and sociological study methods.
I assumed that studies on rape statistics were done the same way, but now....
The prevalence of false rape claims is impossible to assess with pinpoint accuracy over a wide area because there is no uniformity in how they are treated. All of the reliable data indicates that false rape claims are significant. The vast majority of police departments have personnel who see through false rape claims (far more prevalent than actual rapes) and when they confront the rape accuser with overwhelming evidence showing she lied, the accuser recants and often there is no paper trail created. Police don't like to get tough on them because they are not violent in nature and because the criminals are seen as vulnerable young women, more mixed-up than evil.
I'm not sure, but I think in at least some studies (not necessary of just rape accusations) a given town may be chosen becuase it is cosidered a 'cross-section of America'. I'm not sure how feasible it is to do the whole country, especially since the funding for these studies is very limited because the government, and even moreso acacemia, are feminist-influenced; plus people have a suspicion the results will not be P.C.
Incidentally, there is no doubt in my kind that Kanin has received death threats because of his study. Furthermore, I think if the gender roles were reversed, the authorities would be tracking down every one of those threats with the utmost concern, and they would be publicized a lot more.
should say, "there is no doubt in my MIND.."
should say "academia" not "acacemia". Remind me not to type with gum on my fingers.
Police don't like to get tough on them because they are not violent in nature and because the criminals are seen as vulnerable young women, more mixed-up than evil.
Besides, false accusers tend to be women who are great at falling to their knees and begging for forgiveness with tears streaming down their cheeks. These are women who have been got lying many times before and have managed to convince the authority figures in their lives to forgive them. That's why they continue to lie: nobody ever punishes them.
That should say "caught," not "got."
Hmm.
Trying to read this, but you have it blocked on your blogger account.
You've seen me commenting here for years, how about an invite? clarenceinbalt@yahoo.com
Clarence
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