We generally cover the US and the UK on this blog and are not sufficiently familiar with the culture in places such as South Africa to provide meaningful comment about false rape claims there. According to a new study in South Africa, "[n]early 28 percent of men interviewed said they had forced a woman or girl to have sexual intercourse against her will . . . ."
We offer no comment, except to note that we have seen some similarly sensational figures quoted in the US and especially the UK, which are simply reiterations of urban myths and are clearly fabrications, or were drafted by decidedly biased, and hence unreliable, persons. For this particular South African poll, we suspect that there is a fair amount of "bragging" by the men polled going on in this one, given the hypermasculine culture, and that it likely is not at all reliable.
But the thought has often occurred to us that if reports such as these were even partly true then a huge percentage of the male population should be jailed -- which, among other things, would destroy the economy and permanently disrupt mating patterns.
In fact, if such reports were even partly true, the conduct complained of must be considered in some sense normalized and likely would not be criminalized.
If that strikes some people as shocking, think about it: activity is classified as "criminal" by legislatures -- political bodies acting at the will of the people (or at least acting in a manner to garner sufficient votes to be reelected next time around). Pretend that 28 percent of all men actually were rapists -- the men who rape, and likely other men, too, would not want rape to be classified as a crime, and the women whose lives would be devastated if their husbands, fathers and boyfriends were imprisoned for such activity, would agree. Perhaps only certain egregious rapes involving physical force and requiring corroboration would be criminalized.
Interestingly, this South African report goes halfway in acknowledging that if rape were as prevalent as they claim, then any desire to change the behavior would need to occur through means other than the courts: "You can't change behavior practiced by one quarter of the population if the main strategy is through the use of police and courts. The police and courts are important but they are only part of the solution."
The fact is, if there were as many "rapists" getting away with it as the radicals claim, they would be able to control any election and would insure that the laws would be changed to avoid being sent away to prison for 20 years.
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They are not only claiming that 28%of the men there are rapists, but also that 28% of the men there freely admit it on the survey! How likely is it that a felon would just admit to that in an interview? Obviously the questions involved were very leading, and the men responding didn't think that what they were describing was rape. It is very easy to mislead using statistics.
Right. If that many men WERE truly rapists, the real news stories would concern major efforts to overturn the rape laws in South Africa -- because such conduct would normal. Which only goes to prove how absurd is their claim that 28 percent of all men are rapists.
Flawless logic debunks another mythical statistic.
--FWO
And if 28% of these men admitted to being rapists, that would probably mean that over 50% really were. Doesn't seem likely.
Unless their definition of "rape" is very broad.
realistically, without seeing the entirety of the survey, we can't take this at face value.
A quick Google for the report itself shows a lot of news articles on it, but nothing from S.A itself. Without spending hours trawling the web, it will likely be impossible to find.
If 28% of men were rapists, rape wouldn't be illegal.
Similarly, a large percentage of rape accusations are false... and filing false accusations has practically been legalized.
Anonymous said...
If 28% of men were rapists, rape wouldn't be illegal.
Similarly, a large percentage of rape accusations are false... and filing false accusations has practically been legalized.
along with other false accusations
I didn't read the study, but I think one thing being overlooked is whether the guys who supposedly responded to the supposed survey this supposed way, were doing so under the influence of any feminist indoctrination training. In other words, if they truly believe 'force' includes things defined by feminists which are really not force, and if they had this shit embedded in their minds (especially when young), is it really surprising so many of them would respond this way?
Maybe even South Africa has a 'male guilt' culture as part of its Western misandry, i.e. men are made to have a general guilt feelings about themselves.
Norm, I would love to see the questions also because I am wondering if they include things like, oh, verbal cajoling to constitue non-consensual sex. You know things that have never been considered rape anywhere except in the imaginations of radical gender feminists.
A link to the study Here.
One thing that isn't shown, is the questionnaire that is used in this "study".
For all we know, it asked:
Have you ever had sex with someone who was drunk?
Now to the normal person, this wouldn't automatically translate to rape. But to the person judging the answer, it might. So without the full list of questions asked, there is no way to give any kind of validity to this.
Sorry,
That is a link to the executive summary. Not the study.
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