Thursday, June 4, 2009

Cop: real harm from rape liar's tale was not to the man she had arrested but to hypothetical future rape victims

Comment: In the news story below about yet another false rape claim, a police officer said this: "What it does to other victims, that's the most troubling thing with all this. It makes it tough with other legitimate victims," he said. "They already battle enough other issues with when to come forward."

Although false reporting of rape is a crime whose victims are almost exclusively male, it has become so embroiled in the feminist sexual assault milieu that discussing it as a potentially significant problem for men and boys is verboten because such view does not conform to the feminist rape metanarrative.

In fact, this crime may be unique among all crimes because virtually the entire public discourse about it is dominated by persons who insist it is not a serious public threat. At least not to men. If it is a threat at all, it’s to women, they insist.

Hence the necessity for this website because that insistence is a lie. There is no polite way to say it. It is an insistence born in ideology, and it thrives by disregarding facts.

When the crime of false reporting is discussed at all, it is typically discussed through a gynocentric lens that blinks at the harm it causes innocent men. News reports about false rape claims take on an almost surreal cookie-cutter redundancy. Police typically adopt a cool indifference to the male victims, instead choosing to chide the false accuser for wasting police time. More disturbing is that news accounts often report a police officer, sexual assault counselor or judge chiding the false accuser for the "real" harm she's caused -- not to the man or boy wrongly accused or to other potential males she might accuse -- but to future, unknown, hypothetical, phantom, possible, could-be, even unborn rape victims who might be, possibly will be, may be dissuaded by such lies from coming forward.

The one thing these people rarely say is that we need to make an example out of false accusers so that women will stop falsely accusing men and boys of rape. Until we hear that said, until it becomes part of our collective consciousness, we will continue to have a false rape epidemic.

Woman charged with false report

Man out of jail; police investigate

By MADDIE HANNAMonitor staff
May 30, 2009 - 12:00 am

A Concord woman who claimed her boyfriend tried to rape her has been arrested and charged with false reporting.

The police are still trying to figure out what exactly happened between Tabitha Carbone, 18, and Andrew Trudell, 25, early May 22, when Carbone told the police that Trudell grabbed, choked, and tried to rape her after she said she wanted to break up with him.

But prosecutors have dropped the charge of attempted aggravated felonious sexual assault against Trudell, who was arrested after a foot chase the night of May 22. His bail, originally set at $100,000 cash, was reduced and converted to personal recognizance. He left the Merrimack County Jail on Wednesday.

Carbone was arrested Thursday night. Detective Todd Flanagan said yesterday that the police had noticed inconsistencies in her account, and "upon being re-interviewed, she recanted much of her initial statement to police."

Flanagan described the investigation as difficult - and its implications serious for victims of rape and domestic violence.

"What it does to other victims, that's the most troubling thing with all this. It makes it tough with other legitimate victims," he said. "They already battle enough other issues with when to come forward."

Trudell still faces misdemeanor charges, including sexual assault, three counts of simple assault, false imprisonment, endangering the welfare of a child, and resisting arrest. Flanagan said the investigation is ongoing.

"The amount of work it takes to show it didn't happen is about the same amount of investigation to show it did," he said.

Carbone and Trudell shared an apartment on Bog Road, and the police went there about 1 a.m. on May 22 after Carbone called to report an argument that she said turned violent.

Carbone told the police that she and Trudell "have been going through some hard times, and she decided that she wanted to break up with him," according to a police affidavit. She began packing her bags, but Trudell pleaded with her to reconsider, she told the police.

As Carbone went into the bedroom, Trudell followed her, closed the door "and would not let her leave the room," she told the police. When she tried to open the door, "he grabbed her by the shoulders and threw her to the ground," according to the affidavit.

He tried to force himself upon her, she told the police, then he started choking her.

The officer who interviewed Carbone noted rug burn marks on her right elbow and described her neck as "slightly abrased and red in color," according to the affidavit.

When Carbone called the police that morning, she was at her mother's home, where she had taken her 13-month-old child. She told the police she had left Trudell and his 15-month-old child in the apartment.

When the police got to the apartment, they found Trudell's child, but not Trudell, according to the affidavit.

They got a warrant for his arrest, searched for him that day, and arrested him that night, after he ran into a wooded area off Bog Road.

Trudell has been previously convicted of simple assault and criminal threatening. He went into the state prison in May 2003 for criminal threatening, which carried a two- to five-year sentence. He was paroled two years later but went back to prison twice on parole violations, according to prison spokesman Jeff Lyons. He was released in April 2008.

He was on probation between 2001 and 2003 for the assault charge. For that crime, he had been sentenced to 12 months in jail, 10 of which were suspended.

False reporting is a Class A misdemeanor, and Carbone was released on $500 personal recognizance bail. If convicted, she could face a fine and up to a year in jail, and possibly reimbursement for emergency response fees, Flanagan said.

"We're in a budget crisis citywide, and it's very frustrating to put the amount of resources out there toward this case - we're already talking about positions not being filled," Flanagan said. "It is frustrating on a couple of different fronts."

Link: http://www.concordmonitor.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090530/FRONTPAGE/905300353/1043/NEWS01

10 comments:

Anonymous said...

Break the unconstitutional gender feminist / law enforcement misinformation Alliance.
It is a conflict of interest to get federal funds for arresting males rather than females. There are two distinct sources of funding for male arrest statistics, and that are domestic violence, and rape(even false ones).
This conflict of interest in equal justice leads to innocent men /boys being prejudiced against, and violent women being enabled.
By enabling violent women, society is getting more violent / sick/ twisted.
Stop the violence..Break the Alliance!!

Anonymous said...

What is troubling isn't what could happen to potential female rape victims, but the callous indifference displayed shamelessly by law enforcement towards the very real victims of false accusations.

Sgt. Mom said...

Bear in mind, LE are frequent targets of false accusations.

I suspect it's much the same way as military - more who you are or who you know - that determines whether you 'go down' for something or not.

Norm said...

Really the fundamental issue here is not that complex. One just needs to step back and look at the philosophical and biological issues to see the root causes of this phenomenon:

1)It is ludicrous to suggest that believability, from a legal standpoint, would be affected even the slightest little bit by cracking down on false claims. Think about it - 1)this is absolutely true even if only based on one argument: there has been so much 'awareness-raising', forced 'education' of males on rape, and cracking down on rape in general over recent decades, that such a suggestion is tantamount to saying peoples' viewpoints on the issue would change overnight, or even in the long haul, should the authorities start cracking down on false accusers.
Think of it...the whole generations of boys which grew up since the early 80's have had this stuff pounded into their heads again and again. It's sort of like saying a society of people who has been raised on cars and the freedom to drive, will all suddenly start riding unicycles to and fro.

2)In additon to this, it is quite disingeneous to make the claim...philosophical speaking, it can be translated as, "we need to maintain an *environment* where false claims can be made more or less freely..." It is disengenous because it is actually an admission that false claims are not uncommon.

3) Biologically speaking, since girls and women live lives of privelege while boys and men are the disposable sex, it goes against every grain in our bodies to not react sympathetically to a women who claims to have been raped.
Despite decades of brainwashing, I absolutely refust to believe that legitimate female rape victims were every systematically disbelieved. This is 'true' only to the extent that everyone and his brother, and sister, has always know that girls and women lie about that stuff. In other words, disbelief is a result of reality, not some massive denial of society.

The solution is for women to start taking responsibility for their actions. Then they will be respected and belived on all accounts, not just on rape.

Anonymous said...

The system has always been unfair to men, not women. Just ask the minority men who hung from trees at the whim of white female false accusers.

Norm said...

p.s.

if anyone wants to try and convince me that legitimate rape victims were ever 'systematically' disbelieved (not doubted*, DISBELIEVED, from a legal standpoint), please provide me with the following**:

A scientific study done prior to the ideological era, i.e. before the mid sixties, consisting of at least 2,000 claims of rape with a breakdown on which were proven to be legitimate in a court of law, i.e the alleged rapist was found guilty. Then, if you are to claim "the lady was disbelieved so that's why they found him innocent", you must look deep within yourself, take off the feminist tinted glasses, and determine whether you make that statement based on nonsense ideas which have been inculcated in all of us by feminists, or if you honestly believe it to be true. [Hint: if you are beet-faced with anger as you read this, you probably fall into the former category.]

Then once a rough picture has been obtained on what percentage were actual rapes, ask THOSE women who were raped, to what extent they were DISBELIEVED in a COURT OF LAW, (or any venue which would objectively affect the court's decision or hearing process). The interviews of these women must be extensive and absolutely neutral.

If you are starting to get the idea that I am not interested in what the liars had to say, you are absolutely correct. For, there were surely legitimate reasons for them to be doubted at some point(s) along the way, which would have become apparen; for example contradictions in their COURT testimony (they suffered to much trauma so cannot remember? Please see Moxon...there is no such thing as 'rape trauma' per se; rape is generally not the extremely traumatic event it has been hyped to be. Beet-faced again? Tough!!]

Then post a link to the study on this blog.


*doubt is a natural human behaviour. If someone walks up to me on the street and says his bank was just robbed, there will be an element of doubt on my part, and that may well upset the alleged victim. Sorry, that's life. demand for proof is a reasonable request, especially for a cop.

It just seems to people to be more true of rape that people are doubted, partly becuase of reality (see my comment above), and partly because of the overly high status the crime of rape has attained. Whereas in fact, women are sympathized with even if based only on biology (i.e. our tendency to protect women, and even moreso the evolved response of males to any man who tries to subvert the dominance hierarchy re: access to women). Logic may go out the window with rape, but human biology and millenia of evolution do not.

**sorry, anecdotes and personal experience is not what I am looking for. It is too subjective and just plain insufficient.

Sgt. Mom said...

Problem with your request for studies and numbers is, Norm, there weren't 'studies' of anything much in those days.

'Studies' proving this or 'studies' showing that are fairly recent political games.

Kind of like 'global warming' - they didn't keep numbers until the 1800s. It' anyone's guess how cold it was June 5, 1492.


Rape, incest, and child molestation were deep, black secrets that no one spoke about - much less 'studied'.


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Quote: There is no such thing as 'rape trauma' per se; rape is generally not the extremely traumatic event it has been hyped to be. Beet-faced again? Tough!!]

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I'm not so much 'beet faced' as incredulous, Norm.

My sister's step son was raped in jail 20 years ago, and I can tell you --he was EXTREMELY traumatized.

The guy has NEVER been right since.

If MY son had been raped while jailed, I can assure you, *I* would be in prison right now, cause I would have done GREAT harm to the person responsible.

Call me crazy, but I think it's about the worst thing you can do to a person next to killing them.

Now if you want to tell us from personal experience that rape is no big deal, I'll welcome your anecdotal or personal experience as sufficient.

I could say something to the effect that men live a life of priveledge not worrying about being raped - just as I don't worry about being falsely accused - but that would two false statements.

I know without doubt women are falsely accused, just as men are raped.

Nobody is THAT priveleged.

I could also say the solution is for men to start taking responsibility for their actions. Then they will be respected and believed on all accounts, not just when falsely accused.

But that would be just as wrong headed as what you just said.

Norm said...

Sgt. Mom

regarding the unavailability of studeis from that long ago, that is pretty much my point: studies have only been done during the feminist ideological era, so most of them aren't worth a sh**.

I wasn't addressing male rape, but I suspect if the son was in jail 20 years then he was traumatized by being in jail 20 years. Also if he only got raped once, he must be an awful big guy, like maybe 8 feet tall and 500 pounds; and have made weapons to boot.

When I say women are privileged I am not referring to one narrow specific aspect of life, but instead that accorded them by bioligy (and evolution) whereby they are the 'limiting factor' in reproduction, and therefore prized, whereas men are the
'genetic filter' and must compete within the dominance hierarchy.
Our profound natural prejudice against males has its root there, everything else such as misandry follows.

This prejudice operates at a mostly unconcious level and has only recently been uncovered by the tools of scientific psychology.

Anonymous said...

It's amazing when feminists whine about how oppressed they've been throughout history, when they were allowed the honor of working like slaves in the fields or the privilege of dying in trenches for their countries. They compare history to a fantasy world in which nobody ever had to go to war or do a tedious, dangerous job. But if men thought about history that way then we'd think of ourselves as being nothing but victims, too.

Anonymous said...

I meant "weren't allowed."