Friday, June 5, 2009
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As a woman & a former prosecutor, I would not have believed the rumored prevalency of false accusations had a lesser version not recently happened to my own adolescent son. The purported victim (a girl slightly older than my son) gave a report that was both uncorroborated and illogical -- the alleged unwanted contact occurred in a car where 4 other females (including 3 friends of the victim) were present, none of whom heard any protest from the "victim," and went unreported for over a month until the "victim's" boyfriend heard a rumor that she had been [messing] around w/ my son, at which time she told other friends that she would accuse my son of rape. Nevertheless, the investigating officer advised us from the outset that he believed the accuser, would assume that my son was lying unless he admitted "it" (although we weren't told what "it" was), and would prosecute him as a juvenile sexual offender. This without speaking to a single witness. My entire perspective on crimes of a sexual nature has been turned on its ear. It has become far too easy for an unstable woman seeking attention or retribution to destroy a man's life.
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Having it happen to your own son will change your attitude in a hurry. Yeah.
All of a sudden "If it was your daughter you would want people to believe her!" seems facile and hypocritical, doesn't it? All of a sudden it IS more important to protect innocent men and boys than it is to punish guilty ones. Too bad nobody ever gets that until it happens to their own blood.
until the "victim's" boyfriend heard a rumor that she had been [messing] around w/ my son, at which time she told other friends that she would accuse my son of rape
Out of the 6 other young men who have been falselly acussed right around this town, of a rape that never happened...this was the main reason, the boyfriend found out she was messing around with another guy.
Why is society enabling these girls..It's silly, stupid, and a perversion of a sound legal system.
Because society is sick.
"I,____________, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to the regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God"
This is the military oath of induction, and my understanding is every public servant is required to take this oath as well.
This is all that's asked of you to serve your country in the military.
It's simple and easy to understand.
I don't know what gets lost in translation - I just know in a court of law, the Constitution is a dead issue, a mockery, especially for juvenile males.
Which is why I have begged for answers "How could this happen?" for the past 10 years to no avail.
What is happening to our legal system?
However, I will never agree it is MORE IMPORTANT to "protect innocent men and boys than it is to punish guilty ones."
It isn't about 'punishment' - it's about preventing another person from being raped.
If it was your CHILD that was raped, all of a sudden you wouldn't be so happy to watch 9 guilty rapists walk away laughing, free to rape another child.
I have never complained about the way my daughter's rape was handled. She was believed. There simply was no evidence to prove it. The guy knew how to get away with it, and he did.
I never asked or wanted Constitutional laws to be changed to accommodate her case. She got counseling. She dealt with it. We moved on.
It was the horror of complete injustice that has turned my life upside down.
It was the circumvention of Constitutional rights and laws to accommodate the 'children don't lie' agenda that has put my life on hold.
From this I can't move on.
If it's the last thing I do in this life, I WILL do what I can to restore the Constitutional rights I took an oath to uphold.
sgt. mom says
"It isn't about 'punishment' - it's about preventing another person from being raped."
scott says..when girls make false rape accusations because their boyfriends found out they were fooling around with another boy...This dynamic in no way shape or form have anything to do with women being raped.
SGT MOM said: I will never agree it is MORE IMPORTANT to "protect innocent men and boys than it is to punish guilty ones."
You really need to read this -- it is the cornerstone of our criminal jurisprudence. It is beyond legitimate dispute and not worthy of debate -- yet, read some of the comments after it: It is better that ten rapists escape punishment than for one innocent man to be punished
It is better to see ten real rapists go free than to see one innocent man imprisoned for this reason, if for no other: that one innocent man in prison suffers more than the ten women who really were raped. Do these people think that prison is a cakewalk? No innocent man should ever have to worry about going to jail.
But it's a false choice. There is no way that ten times as many guilty people are going to walk. Real rapes leave real evidence -- torn vaginas, bruises, witnesses (at least to the "outcry"), prompt reporting, etc. Rapists also usually have criminal histories.
There is never any reason to just take her word for it. If she really was raped then there will be evidence. So 100 to 1, 10 to 1, 2 to 1, etc. is all beside the point.
"So 100 to 1, 10 to 1, 2 to 1, etc. is all beside the point."
Many an innocent man has been imprisoned or jailed because the principle I cited is not taken seriously. I do understand what you are saying, and you make a good and interesting point. My point -- and Blackstone's and Douglas' and Harlan's and many others' -- is that we must always, always, always be vigilant about the rights of the innocent, even if it means that a real criminal escapes justice.
Absolutely.
It was deathly fear of prison rape for our son that made the acceptance of a most evil plea bargain the only choice we could live with.
I can't begin to count the number of people who have assured me "I would NEVER plead guilty to something I didn't do".
My husband has photographs of the "Suicide Cliffs" while stationed in Okinawa - hundreds of women and children were pushed to their deaths from those cliffs out of fear of rape.
At the time I thought "How foolish" until *I* stood on those same emotional cliffs, sharing the fear and horror of my precious child facing years of prison rape and abuse just as those people did.
You 'get it' very quickly when it happens to your own blood.
I would be lying to say the thought of putting a gun to his head, and then my own, never crossed my mind.
No innocent person take a guilty plea lightly. No one seems to understand that unless they themselves are faced with the choice.
He could have insisted on his innocence, and spent years appealing his conviction. I just don't know what person he would have become spending the last years of his youth in prison.
I seldom read stories of exonerations that have happy endings.
One day being allowed to speak the truth is all I can hope for.
Prison rape, on the whole, is far, far worse than any other type rape because it is typically so brutal and continuous -- it often occurs on a regular basis, and a victim has virtually no chance of stopping it.
A system that tolerates it is brutal, misandric and corrupt, and, yes, I dare say that if women were forced to tolerate prison rape with anywhere approaching the same frequency that men are forced to endure it, it would become the sole issue of concern for modern feminism. The sole issue. No hyperbole.
When I think of the boy convicted for failing to withdraw for five to ten SECONDS after he was told to "stop" compared with the systematic, regular, brutality of prison rape -- the former is condemned, the latter is laughed at -- it sickens me. Yes, both are "wrongs" but they are not in the same galaxy in terms of severity. The former is technically "wrong" but should not warrant imprisonment; the latter deserves the most severe penalty aside from murder.
Even very young children in our American society will immediately associate, and giggle over the idea of prison rape.
While my son was in a detention center, a of students overheard me use the word 'prison', and immediately began giggling and goofing about "bubba's bitch", not realizing it was my son I was discussing.
These kids were 12 years old.
I think the photos that came out of Abu Ghriab prison showing American service men and WOMEN sexually molesting prisoners might have subdued the public's appetite for prison rape jokes a bit. It doesn't seem as popular a subject as 10 years ago.
It is still considered a joke here in Nashville,TN, Sgt Mom.It appears to be one of the mmost desired methods of "justice" for any male accused of committing rape or any crime against a woman or a child. I have grown sick of this misandric and barbaric city and state. This sick and inhumane desire to see or know that a man is being subjected to this torturous crime, without any help is a sickening glimpse into the criminal tendencies of people who considered themselves to be good,fair,honest and ,decent.
Our society seems to be going back to the days of roman citizens who were brainwashed into thinking the punishment of a human was entertainment
Quote: "This sick and inhumane desire to see or know that a man is being subjected to this torturous crime, without any help is a sickening glimpse into the criminal tendencies of people who considered themselves to be good,fair,honest and ,decent."
One of the amazing 'lessons' I have learned through out this ordeal is how truly evil 'good' people are --
My son racked up a lot of speeding tickets as a teenager.
I attended court with him once, and intentionally left my checkbook home. I refused to pay one dime for his tickets.
He was assessed a $200. fine, and we were shuffeled in a line to pay up.
He had to tell the nasty faced cop guy he didn't have the money.
The guy told my son he had two weeks to pay, or he would be arrested.
"I used to run the county lock up son. You're a purdy boy. You know what I mean?"
He was threatening my kid with rape. For a traffic ticket.
I knew he intended for me to fold and pay up. If I'd brought my checkbook, I certainly would have.
I never dreamed I would fear rape of my son far more than for my daughter.
"One of the amazing 'lessons' I have learned through out this ordeal is how truly evil 'good' people are --"
I myself 're-learn' that lesson every day.
sgt Mom says
"Even very young children in our American society will immediately associate, and giggle over the idea of prison rape."
Anon says..because they grow up watching the women/girls laugh about it, they feel it is ok to laugh about it too.
I go to AA meetings where callous/violent women tell stories of knifing their boyfriends, and the ones that laugh the loudest are women. Women and girls have become the social arbiters of what we see as funny, welcome to the matriarchy
"One of the amazing 'lessons' I have learned through out this ordeal is how truly evil 'good' people are --"
Ugh! We mustn't allow ourselves to think like that. Seriously. I have thought, from time to time, that I will need to shut down this site at some point because sometimes the anger and the despair become so overwhelming, they shut out the light -- and most of the world is not darkness. There are important battles, to be sure, and there are evil people, of that there is no doubt. But sometimes when I read the news accounts, the comments, and, yes, even the things I write, I am saddened that this site paints of picture of overwhelming evil. To that we must not succumb.
In California's Simi Valley, the last great American president is buried, and on his tomb are written these words, to which I subscribe: “I know in my heart that man is good. That what is right will always eventually triumph. And there's purpose and worth to each and every life.”
It's a horrific problem. But honestly your chances of dying of heart disease or in a car accident are much greater than your chances of being falsely accused of rape, so let's keep it in context, without minimizing it.
Btw, try this: google "total number of rapes US." The first few reports I found made hysterical claims such as "rape up 25% last year!" Then you read sober reports based on real statistics, and you find out that rape actually dropped by 2.5%.
"Experts doubt drop in rape numbers" was another headline that I came across. The feminist pig propaganda machine is in good working order!
Quote: "Ugh! We mustn't allow ourselves to think like that. "
I couched the word 'good' to intentionally show exception.
"The pathway to hell is littered with good intentions."
The 'good' people I refer to are the enablers - the therapists, the advocates, the promoters of victimizm.
The ones who purport themselves to be 'good' when in fact they KNOW they are doing great harm while enjoying the mantle of do-gooder.
Oh, definitely. They know it's all just a crock of shit and that they're killing innocent men with this stuff. But they feel perfectly justified, warm and fuzzy about the vile, perverted acts they commit. Why?
Because these are people who think in moral absolutes, and just as the communists felt perfectly justified about starving millions of people in the name of eliminating "exploitation" so too do the feminist zealots feel perfectly justified in destroying the lives of tens of thousands of innocent men in the name of establishing a utopia where there is no rape and women have superior rights. In the minds their cause is so worthy that they are entitled to commit any act of evil, so long as they are working towards their cause.
The ends justify the means, bitches!
Anon say's "you have more chances of dying of heart disease than getting a false rape accusation lodged against you,so let's keep it in context, without minimizing it."
I say..how do you know this?? The problem is, no one has a propper perspective, because the public is not given the correct information, in order to have a propper perspective.
"Break the Alliance"
Also,some heavily gender feminist dominated areas (the north east), have very high percentages of agitation propaganda. This gender feminist agitation propaganda seems to lead to much higher percentages of false rape accusations then say the midwest.
The ceiling is the total number of rape charges filed each year. That equals the maximum number of possible false rape charges.
Okay, so maybe the girls at Feministing don't think of it that way...
Hey Woman,
Welcome to our world… where your son’s name will be broadcast in the media, but the identity of the False Accuser will be protected, even after your son proves that she is lying… Isn’t Female Supremacy great???
--FWO
I have said it before, I will say it again - women have been sent to prison for false accusations -just the same as any man.
MEN have made false accusations --just the same as any woman.
I had to look up the president buried in Simi Valley...SURELY you weren't referring to NIXON!
Oh. Regan.
My Uncle always thought he was one of our greatest war heroes...
And sometimes a cow eats a person -- but usually it's the other way around.
Anon says
"And sometimes a cow eats a person -- but usually it's the other way around."
The other anon says..and very rarely are women/girls really raped...the accusations are most of the time false accusations.
The gender feminist / law enforcement misinformation Alliance simply redefines what the meaning of is, is,( (they now classify a false rape acussation as ""unfounded"" when they know it was false) to keep that unfortunate reality from the public. This Alliance is beyond the "constitutional policing powers" that are granted to law enforcement, and hence unconstitutional.This misinformation Alliance..for pork VAWA dollars...is a stain on our American legal system.
"And sometimes a cow eats a person -- but usually it's the other way around."
And sometimes when I read a story about a young woman claiming she was raped by a scary male, she really was -- but it's usually -- yes, usually -- a lie.
"Oh. Regan. My Uncle always thought he was one of our greatest war heroes..."
Maybe he's referring to the fact that Reagan, with some help from John Paul II, won the Cold War. Gorbachev and even Ted Kennedy concede this.
Still -- I have a lot more confidence in allegations of stranger rape than in allegations of date rape.
Men who are convicted of stranger rape have a MUCH higher recidivism rate than those who are convicted of "date rape." Why?
Probably because so many innocent men are convicted of raping somebody they knew. And around 5 out of 6 rape prosecutions is "date rape," not stranger rape.
I mean, we're talking about maybe a 10% recidivism rate for date rape. Most felons have a rate of over 60%! There must be a LOT of innocent men being convicted of that.
Here -- this doesn't have the seperate stats for stranger vs. date rape recidivism, but it still provides food for thought: http://www.ipce.info/newsletters/e_18/myths_facts_recidivism.htm
* * * * * *
The Justice Department study of 9,691 men convicted of rape, sexual assault and child molestation who were released in 1994 found
43 percent were arrested for any type of crime within three years, compared with
68 percent for all other former inmates.
* * ** * * ** *
Okay, now think about that. (And the usual excuse, that rape is rarely reported, doesn't work -- we're talking about arrests for ANY crime, not just sexual.) This means one of two things. Either:
a/ Rapists are less likely to re-offend than other inmates because they have higher character (not likely!), or...
b/ The recidivism rate for rapists is more than one-third lower than for other criminals because ONE THIRD OF CONVICTED RAPISTS WERE INNOCENT.
Sounds about right, doesn't it?
when has a woman been sent to prison for a rape allegation that turned out to be false? I've never even heard of such a case.
Please provide some examples. Just one or two isn't enough.
"Still -- I have a lot more confidence in allegations of stranger rape than in allegations of date rape."
My take on it is that the vast majority of stranger rape claims are false. That's not to say that date rape claims are more reliable. And I agree -- the men convicted of stranger rape are often hard-core criminals.
Then again, the fact that they're hardcore criminals could explain why they were selected as suspects in the first place.
Another feminist hoax regarding rape is that, "since it is a crime of the power that men have over women, sexual and physical attractiveness do not play a part in rape."
Wrong!! Another totally bogus claim. It has been disproven! Yes there have been a couple old ladies that were raped, due to some bizarre psychology of a few freaks out there; just as some guys have sex with dead people, like maybe one in a billion; but the majority of victims are in their 20's and 30's. Duh, I wonder why.
In 'majority of victims' above I am, of course, referring to stranger rape. I've had a rough day today - so please let's not have anyone tell me attractiveness isn't a factor in date rape!
Well, sorry to make your day worse, Norm, but I'm going to say just that.
And here's the reason why -
Have you never seen any of those "Take Back The Night" rallies? Have you never seen rape protest rallies on TV?
My son was just a little boy watching one once, and asked "Why are all those women ugly, Mom?"
I had always wondered that, too.
They're always UGLY!
Always!
Not a Pamela Anderson type in the bunch.
I'm just sayin'...a lot of homely women seem to be upset about rape, while the hotties are no where to be seen...
The Valedictorian at Berkley protesting rape?
Plain Jane.
Sgt. Mom
that is an interesting anecdote. However, it doesn't prove anything.
Please keep the following key points in mind:
1)Rape has nothing to do with any kind of 'power relationship'. In fact, neither sex as 'power' over the other. Why should they? It makes no sense from an evolutionary perspective.
2) It has been scientifically proven that physical attractiveness is a factor in many rapes. [See Moxon].
3) I'm not sure you understood my comment about dating. Attractive women are more likely to get dates...why disagree with the obvious??
should say,
"neither sex HAS power..."
Actually, in 'real life' very attractive women are often NOT asked out as much.
It's intimidating, and fear of rejection is higher.
Attractive women often have higher standards, and expect more.
It's your ugly ducklings, plain janes, and not so-hot-girls that are more prone to be...'popular'...and treated less respectfully.
There's something to be said for ' anger,power, and control' in rape issues. I really don't disagree with it.
I also believe it's anger, power and control that motivates women to make false accusations, too.
...and plain old disrespect.
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