Comment: The news story below this comment tells yet another tale of yet another rape lie told to cover up yet another woman's misconduct from a loved one. (After all, why tell the truth when a rape lie will suffice?)
For anyone who thinks that what we do here on this website is controversial, you are dead wrong. The comments printed under every false rape story in every newspaper that allows comments are overwhelming in their condemnation for false rape accusers, and they typically say the same things -- no wonder rape victims aren't believed; she should be severely punished, men should retain anonymity until conviction, etc. Here are some of the comments under the story in question, followed by the actual story:
What a pathetic piece of shyt she is. This is precisely why some folks question the truthfulness of true rape victims.
WOW !, .... it's Women like this that give a Woman a bad name !
Cuyahoga County Prosecutor John Kosko should read this story and learn from it, according to him a woman would never lie about being raped, why would she. He would save the city money, the accused his life savings and his repuration just to mention a few heartaches that is caused when a woman lies and accuses someone of rape.
As a woman (a potential rape victim) they should make it a felony when a person falsely accuses some one of rape. If you are truly a rape victim you have nothing to worry about BUT if you are a liar it might make you think twice about filing a false report. These types of reports will only make it harder for woman to be believed and justice served.
This hits home. I personally know someone who spent Christmas eve, Christmas night and the next three days in jail because some b*tch accused him of rape. There was no evidence, just her word. She finnally came forward and admitted she lied. NOTHING HAPPENED TO HER!!!!!!!!!!
This guy spent 5 days in jail for nothing.
This is why I think that no matter what the crime is, if you have not been found guilty, your name should be witheld from the news. It is too easy for a woman to lie and ruin a mans life.
Having said that, I believe rape to be the most horrible crime. Murder is bad, but, rape is just as horrible in my opinion. If you rape someone you need to spend the rest of your life in prison!!
And woman wonder why no one believes them when they say they where raped. I feel for woman that really are raped but woman like this make it hard for real rape victimns to get justice. They should send her to jail for the same amount of time as the "rapist" would have received. This is what happens when a cheating girl friend gets busted and makes up a cover story.
All it takes is an allegation to ruin a mans life. This chic should get the maximum sentence allowed.
This girl should be sentenced and also required to face REAL rape victims and ask them what it's like.
I totally agree, in a she said he said situation all parties should be protected from the media. Even an alleged jump out from behind the bushes rapist should be protected until found guilty.
Funny how when the story first breaks its in the news paper and on tv and then that's it, UNLESS a guilty verdict comes back. If the accused is found not guilty you never hear anything about it. The audience and readers are left to believe the first report.
BTW, I'd like to add that a woman making false rape charges against a man is committing an offense against the man that is - morally - up there with attempted murder. Because she's trying to destroy his whole life and have him sent away to prison for a very long time.
whore!
On behalf of all rape victims, including the victims of rapes that haven't happened yet, thank you just no end, Jessica Smith. The next time a woman is raped--really raped--and reports it, she'll find it that much harder to be taken seriously because this tramp made up a story. Think of all the time Det. Canterbury and his colleagues spent investigating a false story when they could have been solving real crimes. Smith should be charged as an accessory in all the crimes that happened while Canterbury & Co. were too busy chasing their tails on her non-case to do the serious work they''re paid for. However long she spends in prison (and I hope whoever hears her case has his or her head on straight), it won't be nearly enough to atone for this.
HERE IS THE NEWS STORY:
Woman charged with making false report of rape, abduction
Posted by Michael Sangiacomo/Plain Dealer Reporter May 01, 2009 09:39AM
Categories: Breaking News, Crime
NORTON — Police arrested a 32-year-old woman they said made up a horrifying story of abduction and rape.
Jessica Smith of Doylestown in Wayne County told Norton police that a man abducted her at gunpoint from a gas station on April 9, took her to Akron and raped her for four days before releasing her. But police said after spending many hours investigating the story, they determined it never happened.
Smith was arraigned Wednesday before Barberton Municipal Judge Greg Macko on one count of making false alarms. If convicted, she faces up to one year in prison.
Police spent about 100 hours investigating her claims before concluding the story was made up. They were called to the emergency room at Akron City Hospital on April 12.
"My partner and I were taken off the numerous cases we were working on and spent 100 hours on this," said Norton Detective John Canterbury. "She was every specific about the time and place of the abduction. We reviewed the surveillance video from the gas station, which has an excellent system, and she never appeared at the time she said she was there. Just in case she was mistaken about the day, we looked at two days' worth. She never appeared."
Canterbury said Smith let a man borrow her boyfriend's car while her boyfriend was out of town.
When the car was returned damaged, Canterbury said she concocted the story to cover it up.
Canterbury said when confronted, Smith admitted that she made up the abduction, but insists that the man who borrowed the car raped her in Akron. Canterbury said she had not reported the rape to Akron.
Link: http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2009/05/woman_charged_with_making_up_a.html
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"Canterbury said when confronted, Smith admitted that she made up the abduction, but insists that the man who borrowed the car raped her in Akron. Canterbury said she had not reported the rape to Akron."It seems likely that the reason she didn't report the specific man to the proper authorities (those where it was alleged to have happened), is simply because the sex she had with the man she lent her boyfriends car to was entirely consensual.
Just like it is with so many other false rape allegations.
Of course, it is very encouraging that the general populace does seem to be catching on.
slwerner, I believe that the general public has always intuitively known the right answer. The gender-feminist/ sexual-assault-industrial complex is the only group that sees fit to dehumanize and marginalize the falsely accused by pretending they are a "myth."
It is the same phenomenon that Heather MacDonald wrote about in
The Campus Rape Myth -- the only group on campus that doesn't buy that same group's one-in-four lie is -- the students.
Pierce Harlan - "slwerner, I believe that the general public has always intuitively known the right answer."While I'm sure your right about this, what I do find encouraging is that they are finding their voice.
It used to be that remarks about false accusers (dating back to Twana Brawley) where largely confined to questions about what demons must have driven her to do it, and how could such women be helped. Now, those sympathetic voices are well drowned out by those calling for them to be punished instead of counseled.
I think it's a matter of people finally finding out, as they see others doing so, that they are able to break out of the politically correct chains, and say what they really believe.
In a way, I see that the feminist apologist of false rape are in the same boat as the apologists for paternity fraud. Their arguments could never hold up against any real scrutiny, and they've too long enjoyed the cover of political correctness which dictated that any harsh treatment of the perpetrators was verboten.
I'm quite happy that we are increasingly seeing that people are becoming embolden to say what they really think.
Not to put a dimmer on things, but let's not get carried away. Is it certain that we are getting a cross-section of America in the comments to those articles?
Norm,
Check out the comments Here. It is actually quite the cross section, that is on the post prior to this one. And there are some good ideas coming out in those comments. And no one is getting pissy or bent out of shape. Both men and women talking, which is a good thing. The person playing devils advocate right now is lovelysoul, who I happen to know is a black woman in her 40's or 50's. And even she agrees there needs to be some stiffer punishments for false accusers.
The word is spreading, like a wildfire. Thing is, wildfires tend to start small, but get big rather quickly.
All the best
E. Steven Berkimer
Norm, I must respectfully disagree. I say let's carried away, because without question, this is indicative of a real live trend. Understand, I am not simply referencing this one article. I am referencing every article that reports on a false rape claim and that allows comments. Obviously the comments posted are not a manifestion of scientific polling, as you know, and as I certainly know. But even scientific polling can be, and is, manipulated. This is raw outrage.
The persons commenting obviously are persons interested in the issue, and the comments are amazingly consistent from one news article to the next -- anger, outrage, concern about anonymity for men, a desire for severe punishmnet -- not just for innocent men but to preserve the sanctity of rape claims for actual rape victims. The latter concern is fairly widespread and indicates that we are not just hearing from men's rights activists. Men's rights activists typically downplay that concern (although I do think it has its place in the false rape prism). It is beyond doubt that in these comments we are hearing from women as well as from men concerned about women and for the falsely accused.
Too often, we here on this site, and in other sites where "men's" issues are discussed, are caught up in our own little world of responding to a small group of feminists who dictate the public discourse about these issues. It is easy to lose sight of the fact that this small group of feminists does not speak for society at large, never has spoken for society at large, and that its views on all these issues can scarcely be regarded as representative of anything aside from radical feminism. It is for this reason that a long time ago, I decided not to monitor closely feminist sites that spread lies about false rape claims. I don't. I do know, because people tell me, that these sites monitor us closely, so we are dictating the discourse to a large extent.
The comments under these news stories, in contrast, are raw data from actual people. To see a cavalcade of readers from city to city to city consistently and thoroughly outraged about this issue in story after story after story is indicative of a trend that definitely should not be disregarded -- that a hell of a lot of people get very angry about this issue. A lot more than the thousands who read this site or any men's rights site every week. These are people who think false rape claims ought to be dealt with seriously.
And why would we expect the reaction to be any different? After all, a false rape claim is a classic injustice with, literally, Biblical underpinnings (e.g., Potiphar's wife). It would, in fact, be difficult to fathom a clearer injustice.
So, no, Norm, I can't agree with you on this one. We're got right on our side, and common sense, and -- when we can get through to them -- the people. I am 100% convinced of that.
This groundswell of outraged opinion is, without doubt, the voice of the mainstream.
Over the last year alone, I have noticed a dramatic uptick in the number of online commenters who speak their minds bluntly not only about false rape, but about nearly anything to do with feminism.False rape is, of course, a lightning rod. A hot button. A flashpoint. A zone of abnormally intense focus.
At any rate, the "roar" is coming from everywhere. In fact, it is international. And it is bearing down hard on feminism as a whole.
(With particular venom reserved for the issue of false rape!)
Yes, the word is travelling fast on the street, and the street is madder than hell!
Fidelbogen, you have blessed our site with your presence. Thank you!
The liars can't cover up the truth forever. Men will no longer allow themselves to be abused and exploited for political gain.
I would add that it's not just the false rape accusers that should be singled out - they're just the low-lifes taking advantage of a specific kind of lawlessness. It's those who enabled this lawlessness in the first place who should face the harshest judgement. We know who they are.
From the the advice godess's page :
" ...Brian Leckie chokes up twice, once when telling how he was called into the Bancroft OPP detachment, thinking it was to discuss a local domestic abuse investigation, and then finding himself charged with sexual assault.
The second time is recounting the costs -- the tarnishing of his good name, and the loss of virtually every dime he had to defend himself in court.
His lawyer fees, in fact, took all of the $115,000 he had socked away in RRSPs.
"No matter how bogus the charges, you need a competent lawyer to defend you," he says.
This is true and correct. It takes money to get a competent lawyer who is willing to defend you not only when you are falsely accused of rape or sexual assatult but, anytime you are facing serious chages in regard to violence against a woman. This I know, although I was only wrongfully accused of waving a gun at a woman who wanted to hurt me and get me kicked out of the U.S. Military. I can tell you that a public defender, for the most part, is not going to do as much as a lawyer you are paying for yourself.
"If I did not have those RRSPs, I would likely be in jail today," he says.
He would be more than likely in prison while facing the damning position of having to regitser as a sex offender everywhere he went, for the reat of his life. He should be thankful he had the money neccessary to get a good competent lawyer. I wish I could have had the money to do so but, without any marketable skills, I didn't. I was, in effect, punished not only for being a man but, also for being poor.
"As a result, I am now bankrupt -- with an outstanding legal bill of $26,000 for those two days in court, including $6,000 for an expert witness.
I am sure these are not the only costs he had to pay.
"I was suspended from work for six months at Quinte Health Care because of this," he says.
How much money did he lose while he was suspended? To the government; how much tax revenue did they lose because he had no job?
"I wonder how many innocent people are in jail today because they do not have the funds to hire a competent lawyer?
In my honest opinion, there are too many, even one is too many.
The public should be outraged by this. How much does it cost taxpayers to pay the police to arrest the man,transport him to jail? How much does it cost to keep him and feed him while he is in jail? How much are taxpayers having to pay for all false accusations?
Archivist - "The person playing devils advocate right now is lovelysoul, who I happen to know is a black woman in her 40's or 50's. And even she agrees there needs to be some stiffer punishments for false accusers."Speaking of lovelysoul,
This morning she posted something on that thread which I believe is of great import – even if she did not realize it.
She, as a women, has touched on something that I, as man, have been saying for a long time now – but with little effect. First, here is the pertinent part of her post:
But if a grown woman woke up in bed with a guy after a drunken night, and didn't remember if she had sex or not, but responded more like a guy would, which is like, "I hope we had sex because sex is cool and I really love sex", then there wouldn't be any trauma. She's unlikely to charge rape.
Men, don't view it like, "Omg, maybe she had sex with me! Oh no! What if she took my virtue? Oh, this is horrible!"
We women think that way because to us it's a potential loss of value, of status. We're afraid we've been cheapened...and sometimes that leads to charges of rape, which aren't fair.
Posted by: lovelysoul at May 6, 2009 9:27 AMThat “potential loss of value and status” she notes is key to understanding many of the morning after regret type scenarios which end up morphing into accusations of rape.
While lovelysoul was confining her intentions to what a woman might feel of herself after realizing she’d had sex. I’d take it one step further and bring in the additional consideration of “what her friends feel about it”.
I don’t think that it require too much explanation that women, especially young single woman, tend to be highly concerned about their “value/status” in the socio-sexual marketplace. And, women tend to estimate (or, overestimate) their relative value based on desirability of men they can attract (and, typically, have sex with). They also tend to judge other women’s values based on the men those women get.
And unlike it is for men, where a top-dog/alpha-male/10 is likely to suffer little or no “damage” to his reputation for bedding any number of women who’s market value is below there own (a 10 banging a 6, for instance); and women will – or at least feels that she will.
What I’m getting at is, that after the “beer goggles” wear off the next day, and a woman gets a good look at the guy she’s been with, if she believes that he is of lesser value that her, she is less likely to feel positive about her situation (a woman who values herself a 9, who wakes up with a guy she sees as a 6, is far more likely to be upset about it that the woman who’s a 6 and wakes up next to a 9). Depending on her temperament, that alone might be enough for her to want to claim she had been raped.
But, what I believe often tips the scales for such a woman is the reactions of her friends. If they give her any sort of hassle or negative comments/attitude about the “dud” she hooked-up with, she’s going to be compelled to defended her pseudo-honor by claiming that she didn’t intend to pick such a lowly man, that she was too drunk/stoned, that she would surely have never consented, and thus (drum roll, please…) that she was RAPED. And, she will be pressured to make a report.
Lovelysoul isn’t far off the mark. It’s just that in the modern world, women no longer guard their virtue, just their market value/status. A (false) claim of rape is often useful to a woman in her effort to prop-up her deflated value after committing a socio-sexual fax paux.
Anyway, that’s my opinion – just wanted to toss it out there.
We were literally running up and down the rainy streets of Seattle frantically searching for an attorney before our son turned 16 in two days, and would be tried as an adult. We were from out of state and every attorney demanded $30,000 and up deposited in their account before they would even speak to us.
We couldn't raise $30,000. in less than two days, so a public pretender was assigned.
"You'll never get an aquittal in Seattle" was her gleeful mantra. "They have powerful women's groups that will see to it."
She was right about that. There was a group of women - 'court watchers'- armed with boxes of kleenex which they made a big production of passing out and waving like flags in front of the U.N. Sobbing and wailing.
When my son refused to accept a plea bargain,insisting on going to trial, the family fled the state 10 days before trial.
We were told in order for our attorney to interview her, WE would have to pay for the public defender plus an assistant, as well as the prosecutor and her assistant to 1) fly out of state to interview the 'victim', 2)pay for hotel rooms for the whole group,3) any and all food and incidental costs incurred by the entire group.
...or go to trial without interviewing the 'victim'.
My son decided to still go to trial - he was innocent.
The day before the trial we were told 'the victim' had been admitted to a mental hospital, and wouldn't be at the trial.
My son was given the choice of going to trial with the 'victim' locked away in a nut ward because of the horrible rape he inflicted on her....two years ago...
...or accept an Alford plea for no jail time.
He accepted the plea, then went to jail anyway. 'Manifest Injustice' they called it.
slwerner and Sgt. Mom -- I don't want to take the liberty myself (but as slwerner knows,I have done so in the past) -- if either of you would like to turn your comments into a post for publication here (feel free to modify it, etc.), I invite you to do so. Both of you have made truly great points here. I appreciate your contributions. (And this thread also saw a visit from Fidelbogen, who is radical feminism's worst nightmare!)
Sgt. Mom - ”My son was given the choice of going to trial with the 'victim' locked away in a nut ward because of the horrible rape he inflicted on her....two years ago...
...or accept an Alford plea for no jail time.
He accepted the plea, then went to jail anyway. 'Manifest Injustice' they called it.”Truly horrifying what has happened to your son. You certainly have my condolences.
But, I have to say that, while apparently quite reprehensible, the course of action taken by prosecutor, defender, and judge strike me as way outside the norm.
My wife, during the course of prosecuting rapists (real rapists, the kind who hold knives to their victims throats and threaten to harm their children) has always had to rely heavily on her Victims Assistance Office to help to get her victims (emotionally) prepared to testify. I’ll have to check with her, but I’ve always assumed that it was necessary to have a victim present to proceed with trial (perhaps Pierce could weigh in on this?)
Just last week she was forced to ask that a trial be rescheduled when a victims of serious domestic abuse (mother & daughter) didn’t show up for trial date. She had to do some fast talking, since judges do not automatically grant such requests, and the cases would have otherwise been dismissed.
And, in her jurisdiction, the defense bar – even the public defenders – are keen enough to know that if a victim isn’t available for trial, the prosecution is in a very difficult situation.
It’s hard to believe that the one assigned to your son’s case could be so inept. To me, it would seem that you have grounds to ask for a new trial due to ineffectiveness of counsel. (Pierce?)
Also, unless there is some very compelling reason, it seems that, at sentencing, most judges tend to follow the wishes of defense counsel if the prosecution declines to ask for jail time (as seems to have been agreed upon during plea negotiations). And, as a prosecutor, my wife would never dare to break faith and ask for jail time when she’d agreed not to (Defense would rightfully object, and the judge would hold her in contempt – she could even be looking at being called before the Disciplinary Committee). I don’t know if it’s unique to Colorado, but here, all officers of the court are held to very high, very exacting rules of ethics.
And, as for the prosecutor in your son’s case, there seems to have been a very clear lack of prosecutorial discretion. I know many prosecutors, and if any one of them had been present with exculpatory evidence that an alleged victim of rape was, as you say, “virginally intact”, they would have sought to dismiss the case.
And, when charges are clearly being motivated by parents (lot’s of angry parents want their daughter’s boyfriend charged), it’s a virtual certainty that, if it’s not dismissed outright, it will be plead down to minor charges.
I don’t know what this collection of sad excuses in Seattle though they were doing, but the prosecutors (defender and judges, also) that I know take the power they hold over peoples live very seriously. I can say that I’ve never seen a case (even when dealing with less serious charges) ever take so lightly, even flippantly, by any of them. While I am appalled at the behavior of all, I hold the defense attorney in the highest contempt – they’re supposed to advocate zealously on the behalf of their client. Even for public defenders, there is the (perverse) incentive of high-paying work for those who do so. Those like the one you encountered would be asked to resign.
Sorry to rant. While I am a strong opponent of false rape accusations, I also am an advocate of the entire criminal justice system. I get especially annoyed by those who misuse and abuse it, and bring both scorn and shame on the majority of the others who are dedicated and upright.
dude, wth, how do you say rape is as bad as murder, be honest at this moment your mother or daughter or wife can either be raped for and have a dick stuck in her or be killed, what are you going to pick?....thought so! you sound like a pandering child when you say shit like that, shut the fuck up!
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