Someone sent me a link to yet another feminist blog I'd never heard of and don't ever plan to look at again. Here is all you need to know about it (the punctuation is as it appears in the original).
"rape is a weapon of war. even in places that aren't at war- ALL women are always at war. always on the defense. always in danger."
Sigh. I wonder if the writer really believes that?
I wonder if the writer realizes that innocent young men are in much greater danger of being assaulted than women -- in fact, they are assaulted twice as much? See here. For some reason I suspect they will find a reason to dispute or minimize this because it doesn't fit their victim metanarrative. The fact is, it is truer to say, "Men are always in danger" than "Women are always in danger."
We've said this repeatedly, because it's true: hysteria is the engine that drives the so-called "rape culture," and false rape claims are its noxious emissions. With all the fear-mongering, Chicken Littles running about warning women not that "the sky is falling!" but that "young men can't be trusted!" the slightest whiff of a rape allegation is automatically believed. The hysteria gives plausibility to every rape claim, even the ones that are false. And when a rape accuser is automatically believed, the man or boy she accuses is automatically branded a rapist in the court of last resort, the court of public opinion. And that is intolerable on a multitude of levels.
In any event, I suspect that much of this fear mongering is the result of naivete. We need to combat it, and that's why we're constantly reminding people about it. See here and here and here.
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I know this is going to sound funny, but when I was doing the research the other day in Moxon's book, I came across what some researchers have proposed may be the fundamental cause of war itself:
In pre-historic primitive times, there were typically different tribes of humans living at some distance from one another. Occasionally, one (or sometimes more) high-status men from a given tribe would wonder outside his own tribe's perimeter (high-status men being more likely to do this than others in the tribe, because of their strength and bravery), and in doing so would sometimes encounter a lone woman from another tribe wondering near hert tribe's border.
Oftentimes, the man being of high status, consensual sex would ensue. Each would then return to his or her own tribe. Now, if the woman's mate from her own tribe discovered she had had "outside" sex, the woman would claim rape so as to..well, you guys know the rest..to exhonerate herself from any responsibility for the sex.
Now here's the kicker: it has been proposed by some that a tribe's perceived rape(s) of their women would result in them going to war with the other tribe(s) in the general area..no doubt at least partly due to the extreme rage triggered in men when their wives have outside sex.
Thus war began; everything else which is considered to be the reason for war, is simply what followed - possession of slaves, property, territory; imposing a system of government or custom of living; etc.
I didn't make this up - it's all in The Woman Racket.
[Even now, I can picture a feminist reading the above..she would be foaming at the mouth as if rabid, and would be biting me or looking for the nearest weapon, her face beet-red and her eyes bulging with rage!]
If the true amount of false rape accusations versus the number of real rapes were published, The current degree of rape hysteria would be challenged. That is why gender feminists have told us that keeping the truth from us...IS FOR OUR OWN GOOD!!!
WHICH I SAY IS BULLSHIT, AND LEADS TO INNOCENT MEN BEING BEATEN IMPRISONED AND KILLED.
False rape accusations are not 2%.
2 young girls falsely accussed older women of witchery, which sparked the salem massechussets witch burnings in early American history. We would still be burning witches, on the accusations of young girls, if it were not for a few bold men.
We should remember what feminists have said concerning rape.
"I claim that rape exists any time sexual intercourse occurs when it has not been initiated by the woman, out of her own genuine affection and desire." -- Robin Morgan
"To be rapeable, a position that is social, not biological, defines what a woman is." -- Andrea Dworkin
Andrea Dworkin had a hand in the creation of the sexist and unconstitutional crime bill known as VAWA. It does not provide equal protection for male victims of violence.
"Men are rapists, batterers, plunderers, killers; these same men are religious prophets, poets, heroes, figures of romance, adventure, accomplishment, figures ennobled by tragedy and defeat. Men have claimed the earth, called it 'Her'. Men ruin Her. Men have airplanes, guns, bombs, poisonous gases, weapons so perverse and deadly that they defy any authentically human imagination." -- Andrea Dworkin, Pornography: Men Possessing Women
"Politically, I call it rape whenever a woman has sex and feels violated." -- Catherine MacKinnon
"All sex, even consensual sex between a married couple, is an act of violence perpetrated against a woman." -- Catherine MacKinnon
"The proportion of men must be reduced to and maintained at approximately 10% of the human race." -- Sally Miller Gearhart, in The Future - If There Is One - Is Female.
"And if the professional rapist is to be separated from the average dominant heterosexual (male), it may be mainly a quantitative difference." -- Susan Griffin, Rape: The All-American Crime.
Some of you may remember this one
"If anyone is prosecuted for filing a false report, then victims of real attacks will be less likely to report them." - David Angier
"Men who are unjustly accused of rape can sometimes gain from the experience." - Catherine Comins
"As long as some men use physical force to subjugate females, all men need not. The knowledge that some men do suffices to threaten all women. He can beat or kill the woman he claims to love; he can rape women...he can sexually molest his daughters... THE VAST MAJORITY OF MEN IN THE WORLD DO ONE OR MORE OF THE ABOVE." -- Marilyn French (her emphasis)
"All men are rapists and that's all they are" -- Marilyn French, Authoress; (later, advisoress to Al Gore's Presidential Campaign.)
"The media treat male assaults on women like rape, beating, and murder of wives and female lovers, or male incest with children, as individual aberrations...obscuring the fact that all male violence toward women is part of a concerted campaign." -- Marilyn French
"Men's sexuality is mean and violent, and men so powerful that they can 'reach WITHIN women to f*ck/construct us from the inside out.' Satan-like, men possess women, making their wicked fantasies and desires women's own. A woman who has sex with a man, therefore, does so against her will, 'even if she does not feel forced.' -- Judith Levine, (explicating comment profiling prevailing misandry.)
"There are no boundaries between affectionate sex and slavery in (the male) world. Distinctions between pleasure and danger are academic; the dirty-laundrylist of 'sex acts'...includes rape, foot binding, fellatio, intercourse, auto eroticism, incest, anal intercourse, use and production of pornography, cunnilingus, sexual harassment, and murder." -- Judith Levine; summarizing comment on the WAS document, (A southern Women's Writing Collective: Women Against Sex.)
Catharine MacKinnon ( ) maintains that "the private is a sphere of battery, marital rape and women's exploited labor." In this way, privacy and family are reduced to nothing more than aspects of the master plan, which is male domination. Democratic freedoms and the need to keep the state's nose out of our personal affairs are rendered meaningless. The real reason our society cherishes privacy is because men have invented it as an excuse to conceal their criminality. If people still insist that the traditional family is about love and mutual aid--ideals which, admittedly, are sometimes betrayed--they're "hiding from the truth." The family isn't a place where battery and marital rape sometimes happen but where little else apparently does. Sick men don't simply molest their daughters, they operate in league with their wives to "breed" them for that purpose. -- Donna Laframboise; The Princess at the Window; (in a critical explication of the Catharine MacKinnon, Gloria Steinhem et al tenets of misandric belief.)
"We live in a culture that condones and celebrates rape. Within a phallocentric, patriarchal state the rape of women by men is a ritual that daily perpetuates and maintains sexist oppression and exploitation. We cannot hope to transform "rape culture" without committing ourselves fully to resisting and eradicating patriarchy." --Bell Hooks, "Seduced by Violence No More," in Stan, Adele ed. Debating Sexual Correctness (New York, 1995) p.231.
It is a scary thing to live in an enviroment that is, in my honest opinion, a hostile living enviroment due to the ever present possibility of being falsely accused of rape or ,other violent crimes. Even consensual sex is like a game of russian roulette for men.
"There are no boundaries between affectionate sex and slavery in (the male) world. "
This shows the female victimization complex.
Dworkin is a beast!!
The only way to combat mass hysteria is with the truth.
We need to start charging false rape accusers, and false rape accusations are not 2% of the time.
The quotes from French, of course, classify her as a Grade "A" kook. The radical feminists' take on rape and on our supposed rape culture in general is so loony that no rational person has ever embraced it. The vast majority of people, whose common sense should not be discounted, do not think we live in a rape culture where men use their penises to subjugate women. And the fact is, the opposite is a more apt description of reality, and most people are more likely to concede this is more true: women use men's penises to control men -- to be impregnated because they want children, and to obtain resources and security. The male sex drive is a joke played on men that women learn from a young age to use to their advantage.
The radical feminists have no serious following, and that's even more true today than in their prime, 30 years ago. More dangerous to us is the rape hysteria fanned by a news media that is desperate for customers and that knows rape is and has always been a scary thing.
"The radical feminists have no serious following'
perhaps not, but that is a major misunderstanding of the picture, Archivist. They *are* the ones who have had created and enacted, almost all the changes in legislation which hurt men. Along with biological factors, feminists in the judicial, legislative, and academic arenas, and in the media, are the ones primarily repsonsible for widespread misandry in society. These women are closely related to the so-called "radical feminists" - actually a better word is "ideological", as they are pursuing an ideology.
And in another sense as well, it is not as simple as "a few nuts": as Warren Farrell has said, feminism is a *conspiracy* in the root word meaning..'con' is Latin for 'together', and 'spire' means 'to breathe'. The whole thing including all the levels and branches of feminism, 'breathes together'. If you think about it for a minute, you'll see that's true.
I haven't looked at the whole site, so, sorry if its here somewhere, is there a booklist because these books sound interesting. I think the feminist stuff goes over my head a lot tbh but I think its worth learning what people have said, whether I can make sense of it is another matter lol
I do wonder what the point was of saying this about all women are in danger of being raped. Surely men are raped too, especially in prison. btw I think also this demonising (real)rapists that we(society) do makes it a LOT harder for those falsely accused.
This statement creates hysteria and what the point of that.It sets men and women against each other and doesn't tackle any of the genuine issues.
The only thing I can think of that would be useful, would be challenging the worldview of probably most women that "only bad women are raped, and I'm not a bad woman, so I'm safe" (you can swap the word "bad" for anything else) My experience is that women are less sympathetic to female rape victims because of this belief.
If this is an attempt to force women to face the reality that some people are rapists and as such anyone/everyone may be targetted, well its a dangerous and misguided attempt to do so and while not solving one part of the problem, makes it much much worse for those at risk of being falsely accused
I would guess that also anyone/everyone is also at risk of being falsely accused, after all who knows what goes on in the minds of some people? There needs to be a counter attack to this silly nonsense
Natalie,
Are you looking for a book in which the whole or majority of it is on the subject of false rape accusations? I don't know of any list in particular, or even any single book along those lines. Maybe a search on Amazon would turn up something.
btw, what brings you to the site?
"If this is an attempt to force women to face the reality that some people are rapists and as such anyone/everyone may be targetted, well its a dangerous and misguided attempt to do so .."
If it is wrong to do so, then why do you refer to the thing to be faced as a reality?
Hi Norm, I was here a while ago, but with all the Fritzl stuff and London Police in the news etc, I was thinking about it again, so I came to see how you were getting on.
You've posted about a few books, I can look for Moxon on Amazon, what else is there on this sort of thing - I don't really know what to call it, (views about gender and sexual activity?)
There aren't any books about false rape then?
Um, the thing about making people aware about the existence of rape without creating hysteria or labelling all men.. ask me again what I'm trying to say. I think I'm too tired to put it clearly
I was trying to think of a reason why on earth anyone would make such a statement about all women being at risk of rape, other than they are whats the word, misandrist? hating men.
I do think its important to talk about rape more in the media, have a campiagn like they did with Aids, because so many people are ignorant and for this site, well its pretty unique precisely because so little is known about it... and you get these wrong assumptions from people, and when someone is falsely accused, its so hard to explain whats really going on and there's very little support isn't there.
I've said this before, I don't really have a lot of time to persue it, but at least this site is contributing to raising public awareness
Hi Natalie,
I suppose I still can't tell exactly whether your main issue is rape itself, rape hyteria, and/or false accusations. But I totally agree with you, if what you are suggesting is that "both sides" of the issue need to be talked about, including in the media. (I use the quotes because it's not as if someone is saying "rape doesn't occur" or "women aren't at risk" or something akin to that, which would of course be self-evidently ludicrous; the latter being too much of a blanket statement).
The problem is that feminists and their minions have a stranglehold on the rape issue..they define the terms, the conditions of debate, the venues of discussion; they thus have created the publics' perception of rape. Plus ideological feminists have succeeded in creating and influencing legislation and the courts, and exercised a great deal of influence in academia. All these things taken together place men and boys at a great disadvantage.
My own outlook on books surrounding various men's issue, re misandry, feminism, etc I will give here briefly based on my own reading experience:
Probably the best introduction for a woman who is truly interested in looking at men's side of things would be Jack Kammer, either "If Men Have All the Power, How Come Women Make the Rules?" and/or "Good Will Toward Men". I believe you can still get them both for a couple bucks each on Lulu.com. They can be downloaded from there, and are relatively lightweight and easy reads.
For full length books try Warren Farrell, either "The Myth of Male Power" or "Women Can't Hear What Men Don't Say". Farrell was previously elected 3 times to the board of N.O.W. in New York city, but at some point he began to question some of the tenets of feminism. He was subsequently ostracized not only by N.O.W. and his feminist friends such as Gloria Steinem, but he was treated similarly by the media, including cancelled TV appearances, dried up newspaper writing opportunities, etc.
[At some point, one of the producers of the show "Politically Incorrect" took him aside and told him, "you are too politically incorrect to be on our show!"]
Many or most women will have a hard time stomaching what Farrell has to say in the two books I mention above, even though he is extremely fair. The thing is that he has written these books not to present both "sides" of gender issues, i.e. mens *and* womens, but instead to balance what is already out there, which as we know is almost totally dominated by the female viewpoint.
What he has to say will be very non-intuitive to many women. A feminist trying to read it will most likely laugh or get angry, and quickly toss it aside.
A good place to start for misandry itself is "Spreading Misandry" by Nathanson and Young, Ph.D.'s. It comprises a detailed look at how the media spreads contempt and hatred for men; it is not about "men's viewpoints" per se. Nathanson and Young have studied the issue extensively and go into detail about certain media productions, for example the movie "Sleeping With the Enemy".
Their next tome, "Legalizing Misandry", is a bit denser than Spreading and may be considered to read later. It discusess a wider range of issues, such as the promulgation of misandry in the legislative bodies, the courts, and academia. It gives among other things, detailed look at how feminists have influenced legislation using bureautic back channels instead of lobbying, so many of the changes in the law have gone unnoticed by the general public.
One of the best books on fatherhood and divorce issues, and rampant mistreatment of men in the family courts, as well as corruption therein, is Steven Baskerville's "Taken Into Custody".
An excellent book on how boys are being mistreated by the school system is Christina Hoff Sommers' "The War Against Boys".
Finally, we have Moxon: "The Woman Racket". Whereas Warren Farrell has given the 'what' but not the 'why', Moxon includes the latter. Farrell acknowledges this and he has given a very strong recommentdatin for Moxon's book.
In a nutshell, the book uses recent science to *completely* debunk feminism. The primary fields Moxon draws from are evolutinary psychology, biology, and to an extent, genetics.
If you feel somewhat scientifically inclined, and are pressed for time, you can pretty much skip over Farrell and go directly to Moxon (I'll probably take heat for saying that, since Farrell is viewed as somewhat of a god by MRA's, but most of the guys who do rag on me will not have read Moxon).
He also goes into the history of P.C. and feminism and how the two relate..the Marxist as well as fascist roots of what he calls "extreme feminism" (which is basically the same as what Nathanson and Young call "ideological feminism")
What I surmise here is that you are suspicious, incredulous, or even laughing at my comment above about rape and war? (which as I mentioned has only been suggested by some scientists at this point).
P.S.
1) the above should say something like, "Farrell has read Moxon's book and given a very strong review and recommendation for it."
2) When I say Baskerville talks about father issues, I am not saying "how to be a good father" or something, but rather things like cusody and paternity fraud. His major issue is the family courts.
PPS
Moxon has a whole chapter on rape and covers all the issues surrounding it including false accusations.
As I mentioned in another thread, for some unknown reason some of the links under my name go to some obtuse "Bible study" site. Believe me, I have nothing to do with bible study.
So now we know what you do when your not posting on FRS, Norm! your off studying the bible! ;)
Seriously though, thanks for those book recommendations, I remember you mentioning Moxons 'the woman racket' a few months ago, I was going to buy it, but must have forgotten about it.
It will be my next purchase from Amazon.
Steve, that made me laugh too!
Norm thankyou, I appreciate it :-)
Suspiscious? nah
Incredulous? nope
Laughing? no not at that.
I'd like to understand things a bit more thats all. I think my main concern is helping victims, but I'd like to understand the theories.
I totally agree with the idea that schools are trying to feminise boys. When I was at school, boys outperformed girls at most things, now its the opposite - it shows there has been a social experiment going on. Its in childrens TV too, where the boys are portrayed as clowns or idiots and the girls are all clever, it really annoys me
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